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NNadir

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10. It can be made, but rarely is made, from water by electrolysis, albeit at a huge energy penalty, since electricity...
Mon Oct 28, 2024, 09:30 PM
Oct 2024

...is a thermodynamically degraded form of energy, overwhelmingly made by the combustion of dangerous fossil fuels.

Electrolysis itself is a terrible, expensive, and wasteful way to make hydrogen, far more expensive than the steam reforming of dangerous fossil fuels, which is also wasteful.

I posted this in another comment in this thread, but for convenience will repeat it here:



The caption:

Figure 1. Global current sources of H2 production (a), and H2 consumption sectors (b).


Progress on Catalyst Development for the Steam Reforming of Biomass and Waste Plastics Pyrolysis Volatiles: A Review Laura Santamaria, Gartzen Lopez, Enara Fernandez, Maria Cortazar, Aitor Arregi, Martin Olazar, and Javier Bilbao, Energy & Fuels 2021 35 (21), 17051-17084]

I referred to this graphic, and reproduced it, discussing a paper in the journal I discussed above here: The current sources and uses of hydrogen.

About 4% of the world's hydrogen is made via electrolysis, generally as a side product of the production of chlorine, but sometimes in Potemkin systems designed to greenwash fossil fuels. You can see lots of these greenwashing Potemkin systems advertised in this forum.

Electrolysis is really only viable in situations where reliable electricity is available; it is somewhat dangerous with unreliable electricity because of diffusion in the electrolysis units leading to explosive mixtures of hydrogen and oxygen.

I discussed this here: World's largest green hydrogen project 'has major problems due to its Chinese electrolysers': BNEF


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60,000 BTU's per lb Turbineguy Oct 2024 #1
Yes, a much better energy source by weight! Think. Again. Oct 2024 #6
I have made a few posts about hydrogen here before thatdemguy Oct 2024 #2
It's a pretty old, and tiresome story, but widely believed anyway. Sources and uses of hydrogen: NNadir Oct 2024 #4
Except that Green H2 is not made from nat gas and does not emit any CO2. Think. Again. Oct 2024 #8
QED. NNadir Oct 2024 #16
I'm a chemical novice but Hydrogen (H) when ignited with Oxygen (O) surfered Oct 2024 #3
The pollution generated by hydrogen is related to its manufacture from dangerous fossil fuels. It is a DIRTY fuel. NNadir Oct 2024 #5
Can't you make hydrogen from water? surfered Oct 2024 #7
Yes, but the fossil fuel industry wants us to believe it must be made from fossil fuels only. Think. Again. Oct 2024 #9
Thank you. So, if made from water and with safety precautions, it could be an ok, non polluting fuel source? surfered Oct 2024 #11
Solar powered hydrogen fuel cell demo Caribbeans Oct 2024 #12
Yep. Think. Again. Oct 2024 #14
It can be made, but rarely is made, from water by electrolysis, albeit at a huge energy penalty, since electricity... NNadir Oct 2024 #10
I completely agree we must speed up green hydrogen production massively. Think. Again. Oct 2024 #15
Breaking News surfered Oct 2024 #17
It's not "breaking news." It's just another of a series of "hydrogen breakthroughs" over the 50 year history of... NNadir Oct 2024 #18
Famous hydrogen explosions at power plant OKIsItJustMe Oct 2024 #13
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