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peppertree

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12. Thanks for the compliment!
Sat Feb 18, 2023, 12:00 PM
Feb 2023

Same goes for you, and then some.

But do try to see it from where the Argentines are standing:

They're in desperate need of the kind of investment that might mitigate current account deficits - investment that helps reduce the need for big-ticket imports, and if possible add to exports too.

That - and their debt interest payments - means dollars they have to come up with, and have a hard time doing so (all the more so, with heady local demand for dollars by the country's panicky middle and upper classes).

And nothing even comes close to Chinese investment in terms of helping with those needs - especially their currency swaps.

Not that Argentina can give China much in return: It's got no clout; it's one of the least militarized countries around (defense budget at 0.3% of GDP - and 80% of that is wages and benefits, so almost no arms industry); and while not "backward" it certainly has nothing the Chinese don't already have many times over.

There is the matter of the Deep Space station China opened in SW Argentina in 2018 - which, though small, could be used for surveillance. I played a key role in China Moon rover landing that year.

But that might've never opened - had it not been for the vulture fund fraud against Argentine bonds in 2012-16, which cut the country off from global credit markets.

Obama should've never allowed the fraud - but he was hoodwinked into thinking "Macri would be a better bet - and the vulture lawsuit would be a good way to bring about regime change."

And while his predecessor did approve it (for the reasons mentioned), Macri let the Chinese inaugurate that base!

What a wicked web we weave...

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China has been sinking huge amounts of money into Africa and South America for a reason. Irish_Dem Feb 2023 #1
There's the 'soft power' angle, yes - but also the fact that US & European firms tend to ignore them peppertree Feb 2023 #2
Russia and China are carving up the world behind the scenes. Irish_Dem Feb 2023 #3
Whatever influence Russia had, they frittered away peppertree Feb 2023 #4
Time will tell how this all plays out. Irish_Dem Feb 2023 #5
Absolutely. peppertree Feb 2023 #6
As long as Argentina understands there are strings attached. Irish_Dem Feb 2023 #7
Possibly - but nothing NEARLY as stringy as the loan Trump forced the IMF to give Argentina in 2018 peppertree Feb 2023 #8
It's all the same point I am making Irish_Dem Feb 2023 #9
You're saying Trump deliberately pushed Argentina into a corner, so they'd have to rely on China? peppertree Feb 2023 #10
I am going to shed a bit more light, my friend. Irish_Dem Feb 2023 #11
Thanks for the compliment! peppertree Feb 2023 #12
Trust me. There is something China wants from Argentina. Irish_Dem Feb 2023 #13
You're right: they're cornering (or at least, getting a leg up) on their lithium supply peppertree Feb 2023 #14
Either short sighted or by design. Irish_Dem Feb 2023 #15
Yeah - money talks. And often to the exclusion of other considerations. peppertree Feb 2023 #16
Delighted to interact with you! Irish_Dem Feb 2023 #17
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