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Igel

(37,472 posts)
17. Fixing it gets tricky.
Sun Feb 22, 2026, 02:47 PM
18 hrs ago

Original:

“A 21-page slideshow buried in the massive trove of Epstein-related documents included allegations that sometime between 1983 and 1985, Trump forced a woman to give him oral sex when she was in her early teens,” Olmsted wrote. “When the woman bit down on Trump’s exposed penis, he allegedly punched her in the head and kicked her out. That same woman told the DOJ that Epstein had introduced her to Trump in 1984.


Let's put in "girl":
“A 21-page slideshow buried in the massive trove of Epstein-related documents included allegations that sometime between 1983 and 1985, Trump forced a girl to give him oral sex when she was in her early teens,” Olmsted wrote. “When the girl bit down on Trump’s exposed penis, he allegedly punched her in the head and kicked her out. That same girl told the DOJ that Epstein had introduced her to Trump in 1984.


That works even less well because then it's just factually incorrect and harder to repair, given that we usually frame tense with respect to the present. "That same girl, aged 34 years later in 2019, told the DOJ that Epstein..." could be done but that has another problem.

Built into the context is that this is an allegation made in 2019, recalling the past--that this wasn't an allegation made by a girl but by that girl + 34 or so years. Had it been an allegation made by somebody other than the alleger it would have been a lot easier in terms of getting the semantics right. As it is, the "in her early teens" communicates all the denotational info even if the connotational value isn't quite right without making for two problems. (Temporal semantics beyond really simple stuff ... I ran from that at full speed.)

As for the actual 21-slide presentation, we'd want page 18. "NTOC" = National Threat Operations Center, with "tip" or "report" clipped.

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