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Cirsium

(4,368 posts)
30. OK
Wed Jun 10, 2026, 07:35 PM
Jun 10

I used Google heavily for more than 25 years. I used it well enough to take advantage of AdSense in its early days, so I'm not speaking as a casual user. My experience has been that I used to be able to find obscure information quickly. Now I have to wade through optimized content and sponsored results. Queries that once yielded specific pages now return generic high-authority sites while small independent sites are harder to locate. The amount of irrelevant material has increased, so more time and effort is required to achieve the same result.

That's the subjective part of my answer.

I'm not claiming that my experience proves the case, of course not. I'm saying that my experience led me to suspect that something had changed. The experience is subjective. The underlying question—whether Google Search became less effective at helping users find relevant information efficiently—is objective and testable.

But the broader question isn't subjective. Researchers have documented the rise of SEO-driven content, Google has spent more than a decade issuing updates aimed at combating low-quality and manipulative results, and the search results page itself has evolved from "ten blue links" into a far more commercial and feature-heavy interface. Whether search has become less efficient at helping users find relevant information is an empirical question. My experience suggests the answer is yes.

Search results became increasingly optimized for Google rather than users. This isn't controversial. It's one of the defining developments of the modern web. SEO evolved from helping sites be discoverable into an enormous industry devoted to understanding and exploiting Google's ranking incentives. Researchers have documented this repeatedly.

A recent longitudinal study found that highly ranked pages tended to be more heavily optimized but often judged to be lower quality, concluding that SEO can work against users' perceptions of expertise and quality.

Is Google Getting Worse? A Longitudinal Investigation of SEO Spam in Search Engines
https://downloads.webis.de/publications/papers/bevendorff_2024a.pdf

Google itself recognized the problem. The entire history of Google's major updates tells this story.

• Panda (2011) targeted "content farms."
• Penguin (2012) targeted manipulative linking.
• Helpful Content updates targeted low-value content.
• March 2024 updates explicitly claimed they would reduce "low-quality, unoriginal content."

Google has spent over a decade trying to undo problems created by incentives within its own ecosystem.

Google Changes Search Algorithm to Oust Content Farms
https://www.cmswire.com/cms/web-content/google-changes-search-algorithm-to-oust-content-farms-010325.php

The search results page itself changed dramatically. Google used to be "ten blue links." Academic analyses of archived search pages show that the results page evolved into something much more complex: ads, featured snippets, shopping modules, maps, knowledge panels, direct answers, Google-owned verticals, AI summaries.

Researchers describe modern search results pages as "feature-full" interfaces that increasingly provide answers directly rather than simply pointing users to external sites.

The Evolution of Web Search User Interfaces -- An Archaeological Analysis of Google Search Engine Result Pages
https://arxiv.org/abs/2301.08613

There is evidence that many users perceive declining quality. Even major newspapers have covered it. The Guardian summarized the debate this way:

"Critics argue that Google increasingly surfaces spam, clutter, and commercially motivated content, while struggling to combat SEO-driven degradation." Importantly, the article also notes that measuring search quality is difficult because results are personalized and constantly changing.

‘Google says I’m a dead physicist’: is the world’s biggest search engine broken?
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/article/2024/jul/20/google-is-the-worlds-biggest-search-engine-broken

The irony is that trying to use Google Search to find objective evidence that Google Search has become worse turns out to be harder than it should be. Twenty years ago, that sentence would have sounded absurd. Today, many people immediately understand what it means.

Google Medical Update: Why Is the Search Engine Decreasing Visibility of Health and Medical Information Websites?
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC7068473/

Is Google making search worse to sell more ads?
https://journalrecord.com/2025/02/20/is-google-making-search-worse-to-sell-more-ads/

The Continuous Log of Google Search Changes
https://uberall.com/en-us/resources/blog/the-continuous-log-of-google-search-changes

How Search Engine Optimization (SEO) Grew from Nascent Stages to AI
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/378633575_How_Search_Engine_Optimization_SEO_Grew_from_Nascent_Stages_to_AI

Study Shows Decline in Google Search Quality and Reveals Path for Generative AI Adoption
https://synthedia.substack.com/p/study-shows-decline-in-google-search

That is the objective part of my answer.

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Wow, this is a great ruling. I hope it holds! SunSeeker Jun 10 #1
Outside of the issue of defamatory statements... reACTIONary Jun 10 #2
You can find them useful. Doesn't change the fact that AI isn't necessary for the task, which these companies are all Karasu Jun 10 #4
Nobody is forcing users to use AI.... reACTIONary Jun 10 #13
Um..yes, they are. "Scrolling down" doesn't change that. Companies forcing the use of AI goes MUCH farther than simple Karasu Jun 10 #17
Unless you check everything in the AI overview - every alleged fact, every quote, every source - you highplainsdem Jun 10 #5
It's not really that hard to check it out.... reACTIONary Jun 10 #12
LOL! In other words, you don't check. And it sounds as if you'd use AI overviews you hadn't bothered highplainsdem Jun 10 #31
If you look at a page from a "regular" web page search, do you.... reACTIONary Jun 10 #34
I've seen news stories including studies about the links in AI overviews often not actually leading highplainsdem Jun 10 #36
I'm focused on the value AI brings to .... reACTIONary Jun 10 #50
AI search on the internet is a parasite killing its host. There's no value in that. The errors make its highplainsdem Jun 10 #51
Well then, if that's the case, eventually..... reACTIONary Jun 10 #52
Of all the silly comparisons. Calculators would never have been widely used if they were as error-prone highplainsdem Jun 10 #57
I sometimes post AI search results here, and.... reACTIONary Jun 11 #58
The whopper is everything you've said suggesting people should trust AI results. Even AI companies highplainsdem Jun 11 #61
Not any less trustful than "the internet" itself..... reACTIONary Jun 11 #67
Again, you're trusting AI summaries known to make mistakes. You're also choosing to use AI tools highplainsdem Jun 11 #69
Again, I've never accessed anything on the internet... reACTIONary Jun 11 #73
This message was self-deleted by its author Betty Boom Jun 11 #68
Thanks for your comments Betty Boom Jun 11 #71
You are welcome! Here on DU, even those who are a bit... reACTIONary Jun 11 #74
Unfortunately, I had quite an unpleasant experience to the contrary recently Betty Boom Jun 11 #75
The problem with AI overviews is that they're not reliable. ShazzieB Jun 10 #14
I think they are more reliable than some make them out to be.... reACTIONary Jun 10 #16
There are still whoppers aplenty. cab67 Jun 10 #38
Plain search used to do that Cirsium Jun 10 #18
Your experience with "plain search" and with... reACTIONary Jun 10 #19
it isn't a matter of opinion Cirsium Jun 10 #20
It seems to be a subjective judgement to me.... reACTIONary Jun 10 #23
OK Cirsium Jun 10 #30
Wow! Thanks.... reACTIONary Jun 10 #32
Thank you Cirsium Jun 11 #60
I sometimes find them amusing. cab67 Jun 10 #37
And you just admitted you have to wade through irrelevant junk... paleotn Jun 10 #42
Then one has to verify that it's not inaccurate slop GenThePerservering Jun 10 #46
How can you be sure what the agenda of the AI programmer is? Like an algorithm, it can steer us in the direction Martin68 Jun 11 #78
You make a very good point... reACTIONary Jun 11 #79
I, too, usually conduct searches about scientific and other "basic facts," and have found some of the AI summaries Martin68 Jun 11 #80
We were able to do it just fine (in fact, better) BEFORE this immensely destructive shit came along. Karasu Jun 10 #3
Yes. Search was much better before. highplainsdem Jun 10 #6
The quality of their searches declined significantly. hunter Jun 10 #27
AI "search" Be Leave On Jun 10 #7
Profitable, because we are a post-literate society. SouthBayDem Jun 10 #56
Fuck Google! caballojm Jun 10 #8
DuckDuckGo has an AI, but they actually allow you to completely turn it off, and they have a version of their site that Karasu Jun 10 #10
Same here. paleotn Jun 10 #43
Everyone getting those commercials claiming we need a million data centers Bengus81 Jun 10 #9
Here's what's wrong with the massive data centers ... FakeNoose Jun 11 #65
Their wanting to put one up around Garden City,Ks and it's projected water use Bengus81 Jun 11 #66
Yes many of these data centers are going up in rural areas, and lack of zoning laws is a big reason FakeNoose Jun 11 #76
Kick dalton99a Jun 10 #11
I want to know how Progressive dog Jun 10 #15
I have not seen contradictions, but I think vanlassie Jun 10 #22
I have seen something worse than a contradiction. pnwmom Jun 10 #24
Yea that's bad. I would never accept personal info vanlassie Jun 10 #28
You could find it just as easily with a 'precisely composed query' GenThePerservering Jun 10 #47
I've been a heavy user of the internet for many years. vanlassie Jun 11 #62
Even more reprehensible... GiqueCee Jun 10 #21
Yes. People need to realize that every single writer, visual artist, photographer, singer, musician, highplainsdem Jun 10 #44
Nailed it! GiqueCee Jun 10 #45
It's human nature to expect the biggest reward for the lowest cost. SouthBayDem Jun 10 #53
So the AI bros ripping off the world's intellectual property is just human nature? highplainsdem Jun 11 #59
Republicans will pass a law making it illegal to restrict AI search Bobstandard Jun 10 #25
'Almost Intelligence' trains from anything it can find (within reason, supposedly) 3825-87867 Jun 10 #26
"Imitation Intelligence" is a good name. hunter Jun 10 #29
It's pretty easy to tell if Republicans are lying!--- Jack Valentino Jun 10 #33
I call it a fancy shorthand for Anti-Intellectualism. SouthBayDem Jun 10 #54
I wish this was here. Figarosmom Jun 10 #35
I probably don't ask complicated questions, but I find the Google AI helpful Bluetus Jun 10 #40
I've asked about current news events Figarosmom Jun 10 #41
That's an astute judge. But it goes beyond that. Bluetus Jun 10 #39
This is something a lot of people don't understand GenThePerservering Jun 10 #49
I heard a good explanation the other day Bluetus Jun 11 #72
very insightful. that's why hallucinations will never go away altogether. nt scipan Jun 10 #55
People still use Google? It's a spy agency that sells your data. I stopped ages ago. usonian Jun 10 #48
Type -ai at the end of your search and you'll find out how little you need AI Bengus81 Jun 11 #63
AI regurgitates a lot of garbage and presents itself as fact. Historic NY Jun 11 #64
AI Chatbots reviewed by Behind the Bastards ihaveaquestion Jun 11 #70
Google is using AI in the same way that using an algorithm produces search results that benefit advertisers. Martin68 Jun 11 #77
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