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NNadir

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49. "Organic" farming played a huge role in causing the US Civil War.
Tue Mar 10, 2026, 03:14 PM
11 hrs ago

The abandonment of "organic farming" allowed the First World War to go on as long as it did.

In the first case, cotton is a crop that rapidly depletes soil of fixed nitrogen. In 1860 Lincoln was decidedly not an abolitionist. He merely claimed the right to limit slavery to where it existed. Chemical understanding was nearly nonexistent in the 19th century, and while people understood the value of things like manure, they certainly did not understand why manure worked nor did they have enough to around. Therefore, the survival of the cotton industry needed to expand to new lands to survive, and with it, human slavery.

As chemical understanding came to be developed by the early 20th century and people understood that fixed nitrogen, salt peter, was in fact fixed nitrogen, mines provided the initial means of preventing soil depletion, most in modern day Chile.

Salt peter, potassium nitrate, is also a component of gunpowder. One couldn't have a long war without it. This is why a British blockade of Germany was a serious threat to the German war industry.

In the early 20th century, the German chemist Fritz Haber (who was Jewish), working with the chemical engineer, Karl Bosch, developed the first industrial scalable process for nitrogen fixation, the Haber Bosch process, which allowed Germany to make both fertilizer and gunpowder. The Haber Bosch process which relies for now on dangerous fossil fuels, originally and still in some places, coal, to make hydrogen, is behind the ability to feed seven or eight billion people on this planet. Without the process more than half the world's population would be consigned to starvation.

This is a fact.

A more serious issue is connected with phosphorus which is still obtained by mining. It is an sword of Damocles hanging over the future of humanity, seldom discussed but very real.

The Haber Bosch process played a huge role in the US raprochment between "red" China and the United States. The Chinese communist government hated the US as much as we hated them. However, the Chinese knew that they would have great difficulty avoiding more famine without American Haber Bosch technology and so they agreed to meet with Nixon. This is a subtext that is not widely known.

This issue, the importance of nitrogen fixation and its roles in world history is covered in Vaclav Smil's book Enriching the Earth which is now more than two decades old is still very much worth a read.

One of the first catalysts that Haber found to be workable, was interestingly, uranium, but he didn't pursue it because he thought it too rare. (We now understand it is common.) Modern Haber Bosch catalysts are either based on iron or molybdenum. The latter metal is utilized in natural biological nitrogen fixation as a metalloprotein, which, while it works, works too slowly to support the world food supply via crop rotation.

I hope this answers your question.

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Trump doesn't understand farming, he doesn't care about it Walleye 18 hrs ago #1
He only cares about his bank account and power. Irish_Dem 15 hrs ago #26
He knows all he needs to know: AleksS 9 hrs ago #55
This is what you voted for MAGA farmer! Enjoy the inflation. Multichromatic 18 hrs ago #2
Just like clockwork, murielm99 17 hrs ago #9
He said MAGA farmers. travelingthrulife 16 hrs ago #19
Where are liberal farmers located in the US? Irish_Dem 15 hrs ago #27
Most farmers and ranchers in Texas do not like environmental regulations and walkingman 11 hrs ago #53
so, they are big giant fucking hypocrites Skittles 4 hrs ago #58
Problem is Big Ag. multigraincracker 15 hrs ago #30
The problem is... littlemissmartypants 14 hrs ago #39
My dad was professor of Animal Science. multigraincracker 13 hrs ago #42
It was used by farmers milking about multigraincracker 13 hrs ago #43
So ... 95% are family farms. What percentage of PRODUCTION is due to family farms ? What percentage of $$$$ ? eppur_se_muova 11 hrs ago #50
I come from rural Kansas and grew up on a farm. Orange Buffoon 14 hrs ago #38
Be a uniter, not a divider. littlemissmartypants 14 hrs ago #40
exactly what I was going to say!!!!! gopiscrap 13 hrs ago #46
Somehow, i can't garner any sympathy for someone who most likely voted for t. mwmisses4289 17 hrs ago #3
We will ALL reap the consequences radical noodle 16 hrs ago #14
There's a bumper sticker I see around here: No farmers, no food. NNadir 16 hrs ago #18
I am a PC in my rural area. murielm99 15 hrs ago #22
As a fat bald old white man, I am pleased to agree that demographic bias can be highly... NNadir 15 hrs ago #25
It is why I specified someone who most likely voted for t. mwmisses4289 13 hrs ago #44
I spoke with a friend UpInArms 17 hrs ago #4
It is such a pity in so many cases that breathing is an autonomic functiion. niyad 17 hrs ago #7
The farmer's and rancher's popsdenver 14 hrs ago #36
Pfffftt...they know Trump will send them that much more CASH than he did in 2017 Bengus81 17 hrs ago #5
I gotta tell you popsdenver 14 hrs ago #37
Another case of Icanthinkformyself 17 hrs ago #6
They are NOT voting against their own interests Random Boomer 14 hrs ago #32
Farmers should've voted EVEN HARDER for him durablend 17 hrs ago #8
Perfect Old Crank 17 hrs ago #10
Why don't they just take a dump in the fields durablend 17 hrs ago #11
Assuming we have free elections in 2026 and 2028 and afterwards Vogon_Glory 17 hrs ago #12
Urea? Dang :( mwooldri 16 hrs ago #13
I didn't know that. Thanks. underpants 15 hrs ago #29
I have around 150 NJCher 16 hrs ago #15
Keep voting republican, idiots! Mysterian 16 hrs ago #16
Yeah. All those guns they are using to protect us from tyranny. travelingthrulife 16 hrs ago #21
Well, this sure is an overly negative take on the situation. markodochartaigh 16 hrs ago #17
What an incredibly interconnected world we live in paleotn 16 hrs ago #20
It's now a house of cards. multigraincracker 15 hrs ago #31
Maybe we should give the medal of honor to Democratic farmers that live in red areas Playingmantis 15 hrs ago #23
I'm still dumbfounded at how many farmers, particularily soybean farmers who voted for Trump AGAIN in '24. This after Fil1957 15 hrs ago #24
There's enough bullshit floating around, thanks to Traitor and MAGA, Wicked Blue 15 hrs ago #28
So very true. niyad 14 hrs ago #33
Regenerative, organic farming, anyone? Do you think it will occur to ANY niyad 14 hrs ago #34
"Organic" farming played a huge role in causing the US Civil War. NNadir 11 hrs ago #49
Where I grew up they would say "don't bet the farm on it". Had they never heard that? twodogsbarking 14 hrs ago #35
But the price of eggs!! flashman13 13 hrs ago #41
Wonder how long it will take before we don't have any produce, milk or meat available? mdbl 13 hrs ago #45
I'll just have to see if my usual grocery chain will deliver apple juice next time nitpicked 10 hrs ago #54
I'll bet THAT wasn't on their bingo cards. QueerDuck 12 hrs ago #47
Leopards are stuffed at this point. n/t Justice matters. 12 hrs ago #48
Oh, man, if only there had been some evidence and examples of this sort of bad stuff RockRaven 11 hrs ago #51
And trump and his trolls will blame everything and everyone Torchlight 11 hrs ago #52
No cash, no fertilizer, no soybean markets Hassler 8 hrs ago #56
There's an endless supply of free fertilizer..... SergeStorms 8 hrs ago #57
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