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4. The gap between the ADP and BLS reports is usually many times larger than the gap between private sector and "all" jobs
Wed Jul 2, 2025, 08:08 AM
Jul 2025

Last edited Wed Jul 2, 2025, 09:47 AM - Edit history (2)

The BLS (Bureau of Labor Statistics) data series --

# Nonfarm Employment (Establishment Survey, https://data.bls.gov/timeseries/CES0000000001
Monthly changes: https://data.bls.gov/timeseries/CES0000000001?output_view=net_1mth

# Nonfarm PRIVATE Employment (Establishment Survey, https://data.bls.gov/timeseries/CES0500000001
Monthly changes: https://data.bls.gov/timeseries/CES0500000001?output_view=net_1mth
^-Good for comparison to the ADP report that typically comes out a few days earlier

According to the above links, In May, the "all" non-farm payroll employment was 159,561,000, while the private sector non-farm payroll employment was 135,968,000; so the private sector is about 85.2% the size of the "all".

Anyway, the 2nd link above (private) is what should be compared tomorrow to today's ADP report.

ETA-While I'm at it, I noticed that, according to the BLS in May (using the "monthly changes" links above), the private sector jobs grew by 140k while the "all" jobs grew by 139k.

For 2024, the "all" increased by an average of 167k / month, while the private sector increased by 130k / month. This is the kind of gap one would expect to see between "all" and private in a normal year.
/End ETA


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Also, the ADP numbers cover only about 20% of the nation's private workforce.
https://www.federalreserve.gov/newsevents/speech/powell20191008a.htm

the ADP National Employment Report and ADP Small Business Report are derived from ADP payroll data representing 460,000 U.S. clients and nearly 26 million workers
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/september-2021-adp-national-employment-121500533.html
the above link is no longer good, but archive.org has it:
https://web.archive.org/web/20211207005815/https://finance.yahoo.com/news/september-2021-adp-national-employment-121500533.html

How they extrapolate from 20% to the remaining 80%, I have no idea.

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I don't see how they can trust any numbers from the federal govt either mdbl Jul 2025 #1
This message was self-deleted by its author Bernardo de La Paz Jul 2025 #6
Yes! tRUMP and his christo-fascist regime will start cooking these numbers if the SM starts going south wolfie001 Jul 2025 #10
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Currently they are being propped up by retail investors, the public, not by deep dark nefarious forces Bernardo de La Paz Jul 2025 #7
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The gap between the ADP and BLS reports is usually many times larger than the gap between private sector and "all" jobs progree Jul 2025 #4
US private employers cut 33,000 jobs in June, the latest sign of a slowing labor market mahatmakanejeeves Jul 2025 #5
Almost like tariffs, mass deportations, harassing tourists, are all bad for business IronLionZion Jul 2025 #8
Throttling the clean energy sector, insulting heads of states, Mr. Mustard 2023 Jul 2025 #13
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2008 not caused by 1994. But I think this economy will break in less than 3 yrs bc tRump's actions are drastic. . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Jul 2025 #20
I agree edhopper Jul 2025 #29
+1 Very well thought out reply. Good points. bronxiteforever Jul 2025 #21
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don't you worry dear leader will conveniently blame Biden. even though it makes no sense. nt Javaman Jul 2025 #23
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If you were a republicon billionaire, this wouldn't bother you BoRaGard Jul 2025 #25
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The problem is that ADP uses a different methodology than ADP. lostincalifornia Jul 2025 #27
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