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Beastly Boy

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35. I didn't say a word about Hamas keeping the hostages, did I? Why then do you presume that
Wed Jan 15, 2025, 11:48 PM
Jan 2025

anything I said implies keeping the hostages?

Once again, you are asking me about something you think I said, while completely ignoring what I said immediately after quoting what I said.

No, keeping the hostages is not acceptable under any circumstances, total victory or not. It does not figure into the calculus of total victory. This is what "return of hostages is woefully insufficient for "total victory" means.

Obviously, this doesn't mean that if they kept the hostages but everything else happened would be a total victory for Israel. It is literally the exact opposite. It means that the condition you are proposing and falsely ascribing to what I said or implied is WOEFULLY INSUFFICIENT to achieve total victory. It means that if this condition is not met, there can be no further talk of total victory.

This is quite self-evident. Understanding this is not such an insurmountable intellectual undertaking. Why then does the question that presumes Hamas keeping the hostages even enter your mind? It never entered mine, no matter what you think I think.

I am tired of explaining every fallacious argument you concoct. Give it a rest already.

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I hope so...... Lovie777 Jan 2025 #1
So they can retreat and re-arm... Archae Jan 2025 #2
"So they can retreat and re-arm" speak easy Jan 2025 #5
Hamas out of power and out of Gaza, militarily and politically. Beastly Boy Jan 2025 #7
" Hamas out of power and out of Gaza" speak easy Jan 2025 #8
Then it wouldn't look like "total victory", and the terrorists would still be running their extortion racket. Beastly Boy Jan 2025 #16
Equals a forever war / occupation, speak easy Jan 2025 #22
then it is definitely on Jihadis, and I would welcome any suggestion on how to deal with them. Beastly Boy Jan 2025 #23
Send in the Saudis / Arabs speak easy Jan 2025 #30
Your question was Beastly Boy Jan 2025 #32
except all the times that they do when their movements die out and people lose interest thebigidea Jan 2025 #28
But isn't this mostly a hostage/prisoner exchange? LeftInTX Jan 2025 #18
It's also about a partial IDF withdrawal, and it is a temorary cease fire to last 42 days. Beastly Boy Jan 2025 #21
If that is Israels goal Eko Jan 2025 #26
You forgot the hostages. Beastly Boy Jan 2025 #27
Didnt forget the hostages. Eko Jan 2025 #29
No, in my words, return of hostages is woefully insufficient for "total victory". Beastly Boy Jan 2025 #31
You named multiple things that would mean total victory. Eko Jan 2025 #34
I didn't say a word about Hamas keeping the hostages, did I? Why then do you presume that Beastly Boy Jan 2025 #35
Lol. Eko Jan 2025 #36
ok, this is just too ridiculous to keep responding to. Beastly Boy Jan 2025 #37
I mean, this just doesnt make any sense. Eko Jan 2025 #38
Hamas needs to give up power Dumpy Jan 2025 #10
Hamas to formally Surrender / Relinquish power? speak easy Jan 2025 #14
Bibi and the RW religio fashies propped up Hamas for ages in their attempt to play divide et impera games Celerity Jan 2025 #19
Does this mean Hamas can keep their power? Beastly Boy Jan 2025 #25
Completely agree DeepWinter Jan 2025 #9
Do you not want a ceasefire? maxsolomon Jan 2025 #13
This is what Hamas wants. Beastly Boy Jan 2025 #33
History repeats? Any chance the hostages are released ... LSparkle Jan 2025 #3
That would be perfect timing. But the Israeli Knesset has to ratify the treaty, and Beastly Boy Jan 2025 #4
Let's see how long before Hamas breaks it. They have a long history of doing this, then breaking the deal AZLD4Candidate Jan 2025 #6
No, the world blames Hamas when they retaliate for Israeli strikes that go unreported in the MSM or Jit423 Jan 2025 #11
So Oct 7th was a preemptive strike against Israel? A music festival? 1200 people and hostages. AZLD4Candidate Jan 2025 #15
LOL. MarineCombatEngineer Jan 2025 #24
A deal should still be struck. Recovering hostages is the main priority. maxsolomon Jan 2025 #12
Let's make one thing clear: this is not a deal, it's extortion. Beastly Boy Jan 2025 #17
It's a deal because Trump won. LeftInTX Jan 2025 #20
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