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yardwork

(67,106 posts)
105. 2016 was an incredibly close election, just as 2024 was.
Sun Jan 12, 2025, 11:17 AM
Jan 2025

Trump is a flashy candidate who appeals to certain kinds of people, but Biden beat him in 2020. It's hard to beat an incumbent. History shows that too.

But this is all pointless, anyway. I'm still very angry at self-identified progressives who didn't support Hilary Clinton in 2016. They brought us this evil.

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So qazplm135 Jan 2025 #1
Party pushed him out because they panicked over one bad debate. Obama had one bad debate too, and party wanted to push emulatorloo Jan 2025 #49
I saw that debate. Trump wouldn't STFU and nobody stopped him. Initech Jan 2025 #52
At the time focus groups thought Biden did better than Trump. Trump's nonsense reminded them of how crazy Trump is. emulatorloo Jan 2025 #59
People don't want to be "governed". They think that is automatic and will never change. hadEnuf Jan 2025 #72
I have been saying for years, OrwellwasRight Jan 2025 #103
This message was self-deleted by its author AkFemDem Jan 2025 #54
Made up problems by selective editing on Fox News and ridiculous BS pedaled by the likes of dishonest "influencers" like emulatorloo Jan 2025 #57
No one paid attention to her qazplm135 Jan 2025 #90
No comparison. Obama had a lackluster debate (at least by Obama standards) LeftInTX Jan 2025 #63
Revisionist history. Romney won that debate, Obama lost it badly. And there were plenty of calls for Obama to drop out emulatorloo Jan 2025 #64
They weren't serious calls. LeftInTX Jan 2025 #65
There were multiple serious editorials in the press. You don't get to claim those calls for Obama to drop out were emulatorloo Jan 2025 #67
Was Democratic leadership telling him to drop out? Did major donors stop donating? Did Pelosi ask him to quit? LeftInTX Jan 2025 #69
Apples and Oranges. Pelosi lost her mind. Sorry, we're not going "post-truth" on DU like Facebook etc. emulatorloo Jan 2025 #70
They were bashing him in 2010. They told him to get out before the debate LeftInTX Jan 2025 #71
Democrats were pushing him to drop out hadEnuf Jan 2025 #73
Which ones? It turns out those two were actually Republican turncoats who were Romney supporters. LeftInTX Jan 2025 #75
Go ahead and link them qazplm135 Jan 2025 #87
We kind of figured he felt he could win Frasier Balzov Jan 2025 #2
What we didn't know is that he still believes that. Bluetus Jan 2025 #20
He would have been annihilated BeyondGeography Jan 2025 #3
He's playing Trump stollen Jan 2025 #4
Agree that it bothers Trump BeyondGeography Jan 2025 #5
There's delusion going on but it's not President Biden. William769 Jan 2025 #7
Post removed Post removed Jan 2025 #29
Exactly. It's an untestable hypothesis. Chump usually LOVES those, Captain Zero Jan 2025 #18
+++++ 1,000's of rec h2ebits Jan 2025 #51
Which gaffe was that? Polybius Jan 2025 #6
How soon we forget BeyondGeography Jan 2025 #9
Maybe. But Who knows quakerboy Jan 2025 #10
This message was self-deleted by its author AkFemDem Jan 2025 #55
And at this stage of his decline, the "gotcha" press Bluetus Jan 2025 #21
You completely underestimate the misogynistic nature of "Mericans. Ferrets are Cool Jan 2025 #31
Biden deserved better than he received. shotten99 Jan 2025 #8
This. He's the first president whose positive impact on my life I have unequivocally felt... Alice B. Jan 2025 #22
I'm going to.be pissed off over that until the day I die. BigmanPigman Jan 2025 #40
I do think there are people that didn't vote for Harris becsuse she is a woman JI7 Jan 2025 #11
In addition to the people above, I believe the Gaza War subtracted slivers of 3 kinds of voters Tetrachloride Jan 2025 #19
My sense is that a lot of conservatives want out of all foreign conflicts. yardwork Jan 2025 #36
yes, a large faction is what I gather. But they might be bandwagon group. Tetrachloride Jan 2025 #37
I want out of all foreign conflicts too LearnedHand Jan 2025 #61
I'm not sure what you would suggest Ukraine do. yardwork Jan 2025 #82
Yeah I wouldn't want to abandon Ukraine LearnedHand Jan 2025 #88
I think we may have misunderstood one another. yardwork Jan 2025 #108
From what I heard on the news, apparently too many voters didn't know who she was! Rhiannon12866 Jan 2025 #23
I love Joe, but he should not have run for a 2nd term. Martin Eden Jan 2025 #12
No, she was handicapped because she is female. Americans suck...at least 50% of them. Ferrets are Cool Jan 2025 #32
None of us can prove anything, but IMHO, I don't think the "anointment" made much, if any, difference. spooky3 Jan 2025 #42
Don't underestimate the power of the primary Martin Eden Jan 2025 #44
I haven't seen any evidence that it influenced voters. Those who spooky3 Jan 2025 #46
Negative impact in the context of what happened is one thing Martin Eden Jan 2025 #48
Don't underestimate the incumbency advantage. Also don't overestimate "battle tested" in an open primary. emulatorloo Jan 2025 #56
Hillary Clinton was widely disliked long before the primary, mostly due to decades of rightwing smears Martin Eden Jan 2025 #78
I'm certain that Biden would have won in 2016. yardwork Jan 2025 #83
History would say otherwise MichMan Jan 2025 #95
Biden has never lost a general election though. That's history too. emulatorloo Jan 2025 #97
In addition, only one sitting VP has won election since 1836, and that was also in 1988. MichMan Jan 2025 #98
2016 was an incredibly close election, just as 2024 was. yardwork Jan 2025 #105
and maybe the orange anus would have beaten him in 2020 even with a pandemic pstokely Jan 2025 #102
Clinton had high favorability numbers during and after her tenure as Secretary of State. emulatorloo Jan 2025 #96
I thought Biden was a good president, but that kind gives credit to the dementia thing. doc03 Jan 2025 #13
Did the lack of a red wave in 2022 change his plans? pstokely Jan 2025 #14
Good question. nt spooky3 Jan 2025 #43
I've always thought that that was exactly it Polybius Jan 2025 #53
There's nothing wrong w Biden's cognitive function and you know it. Unrec for buying into talking points from MAGA emulatorloo Jan 2025 #60
It was obvious for a long time physically but doc03 Jan 2025 #68
He will always be 1 - 0 against TSF. Rhiagel Jan 2025 #15
He wouldn't have beat him, but I've been watching the felon for 40 years. Scrivener7 Jan 2025 #16
He's delusional. speak easy Jan 2025 #17
Implying there's a tradeoff between victory and unity FBaggins Jan 2025 #24
I just don't see it. I think Biden would have lost too. To much Musk. BradBo Jan 2025 #25
"I could have beaten Trump" was the only answer Joe could give. sop Jan 2025 #26
President Biden was an awesome President PennRalphie Jan 2025 #27
The truth is we don't really know the answer dlk Jan 2025 #28
I agree with Joe. hamsterjill Jan 2025 #30
Possible due to baked in white + man vote kerouac2 Jan 2025 #33
Yes. Continuous campaign. Going forward. No reason to go silent now. Keep up the pressure bucolic_frolic Jan 2025 #35
I don't want us piled with regrets, but don't dismiss Biden's claim outright bucolic_frolic Jan 2025 #34
Let's not forget Gymbo Jan 2025 #38
Gosh...At the end of 2024, this should have been the story of the year. Not just Clooney, but the whole dogpile LeftInTX Jan 2025 #39
Will this become a precedent moving forward ? MichMan Jan 2025 #41
I love Biden, but let's not have short memories about this. Music Man Jan 2025 #45
Let's not forget that Biden was counted out in 2020 nuxvomica Jan 2025 #47
+ 1000 emulatorloo Jan 2025 #62
No one was questioning his competency qazplm135 Jan 2025 #89
In 2020 some DU'ers where claiming Biden was a senile racist rapist. emulatorloo Jan 2025 #99
So this is more about qazplm135 Jan 2025 #100
IMO, a lot of the pure enthusiasm for Harris was precisely because she wasn't Biden. MichMan Jan 2025 #74
I agree with this assessment - democrats would've had a better chance TBF Jan 2025 #77
There was no "beating Trump" this time. The fuckheads that be (Fox / Heritage / Federalist) already wrote the script. Initech Jan 2025 #50
Of course he isn't going to say he would lose JBTaurus83 Jan 2025 #58
Absolutely! Uncle Joe's one sly ol' fox... GoldenMezzoDiva Jan 2025 #66
Counter-factual. malthaussen Jan 2025 #76
A primary would have been nice JoseBalow Jan 2025 #79
We'll never truly know if he could've won but we should remember why Biden was the nominee in 2020 Seasider Jan 2025 #80
The inability of Democrats to articulate Biden's successes, and the narrative the GOP created on inflation lees1975 Jan 2025 #81
Could have, would have, should have...2nd thoughts and more, in analyzing what happened in the 2024 election SWBTATTReg Jan 2025 #84
One government, of the money, by the money, for the money. bucolic_frolic Jan 2025 #86
Sadly, how true. SWBTATTReg Jan 2025 #91
Like how? Nasruddin Jan 2025 #85
Joe Biden has never lost a general election. emulatorloo Jan 2025 #94
Biden didn't actually say that Progressive dog Jan 2025 #92
Joe Biden is absolutely the best President we have had since FDR/LBJ SnoopDog Jan 2025 #93
There is no way he would have won. NH Ethylene Jan 2025 #101
Honestly, he shouldn't have run for a Luciferous Jan 2025 #104
I wish Biden would shut the hell up. Martin68 Jan 2025 #106
He is of course, 100% correct -- His own party fucked him Blue_Tires Jan 2025 #107
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