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WhiskeyGrinder

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108. I want to be clear that I'm not a fan of the Sunrise Movement. But the quotes that you're posting weren't just him
Sun Jul 12, 2026, 11:23 AM
11 hrs ago

riffing on a podcast by himself. He was in conversation with Khury Petersen-Smith, a young Black activist who responded with the quote you've posted with this:

That said you’re raising a really sharp question, which is, there’s the role that a small, but very visible section of black America has found its niche within you’ve got like Eric Adams running New York City, which is wild for many reasons. But yeah, what does it mean when that’s the black mayor who is absolutely the vehicle for some of the most horrific expansion of policing and surveillance.

He is a conduit and a voice for a kind of democratic party version of the anti immigrant politics. It’s a disaster. So that’s a reality. And then there’s this, the question of the kind of traditional or legacy organizations of the Civil Rights movement, which and there has been, there’s less of a conversation about it now, but earlier in the Black Lives Matter experience, there was a conversation about tensions between the keep in mind or, let’s remember that Black Lives Matter emerged under Obama actually, right?

It's like, Trayvon Martin was murdered under Obama.


There are young/old and progressive/centrist splits in most movements and factions right now, and when it comes to the movements of people who have been dealing with different oppressions on top of straight Democratic politics, it's even more complicated. The debate about "respectability politics" in Black circles is a big one. That's what this discussion was about.

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Congressional Black Caucus PAC response lapucelle Yesterday #1
Ugh! Glad h's getting well deserved "Backlash" for Cha 23 hrs ago #22
Emily's List response: lapucelle Yesterday #2
My comments "were taken out of context!!!" sheshe2 Yesterday #3
Buzzfeed did a deep dive into allegations of tokenization in the Sunrise Movement. lapucelle Yesterday #6
I knew there was a reason I didn't trust those clowns fujiyamasan 21 hrs ago #79
"That's not who I am" mcar Yesterday #15
This is a problem MustLoveBeagles Yesterday #4
A lot of people with very different perspectives see what they want to see in these stories, I think. WhiskeyGrinder Yesterday #5
William Lawrence certainly saw what he wanted to see, and it is a different perspective. lapucelle Yesterday #8
He sounds immature. yardwork 12 hrs ago #93
I want to be clear that I'm not a fan of the Sunrise Movement. But the quotes that you're posting weren't just him WhiskeyGrinder 11 hrs ago #108
I would be inclined to agree with you except there's a larger pattern. yardwork 11 hrs ago #109
Marx wasn't wrong when he talked about the inherent contradictions of capitalism and I believe there are inherent WhiskeyGrinder 11 hrs ago #110
We certainly have cracks to exploit. yardwork 10 hrs ago #111
"And every effort to fix things gets blocked." WhiskeyGrinder 10 hrs ago #112
That is the fundamental problem in the U.S. yardwork 10 hrs ago #114
There's nothing progressive about a young white guy claiming that Black imperialists are the problem, lapucelle 10 hrs ago #113
. WhiskeyGrinder 10 hrs ago #115
It is not JustAnotherGen 3 hrs ago #119
Uh huh. BannonsLiver 23 hrs ago #41
How you experience Amerikkka JustAnotherGen 12 hrs ago #101
Platner 2.0. Here we go again. AloeVera Yesterday #7
You told me that you put me on ignore. lapucelle Yesterday #9
Oh, snap! sheshe2 23 hrs ago #24
. MorbidButterflyTat 22 hrs ago #49
Busted! MineralMan 12 hrs ago #95
I've no idea JustAnotherGen 12 hrs ago #103
Is this the common element? They both said / wrote terrible things about Black people lapucelle Yesterday #10
The question should be Boo1 Yesterday #13
Yeah here we go again mcar Yesterday #17
I don't think the flag in question is red. N/t AloeVera 23 hrs ago #25
Then what is it? nt mcar 23 hrs ago #31
It's the colour of a weaponized nothing-burger. AloeVera 22 hrs ago #51
Translation RandySF 22 hrs ago #63
Not DSA. Israel. Sympthsical 20 hrs ago #84
First they came for... Behind the Aegis 20 hrs ago #85
Oh, it's a whole thing Sympthsical 19 hrs ago #86
This message was self-deleted by its author AloeVera 23 hrs ago #45
This message was self-deleted by its author RandySF 22 hrs ago #59
There is one common denominator that keeps popping up. sheshe2 23 hrs ago #27
I have no hope that the backers of these people will ever learn, she mcar 23 hrs ago #32
Sadly true, mcar. sheshe2 23 hrs ago #46
Oh I agree, but I don't think we're talking about the same one. AloeVera 23 hrs ago #39
... sheshe2 22 hrs ago #55
Ok. AloeVera 22 hrs ago #57
What's Trumpier than a white man complaining that Black people are standing in his very entitled way? lapucelle 12 hrs ago #94
Exactly! yardwork 12 hrs ago #98
Most people in this country, at least most Democrats and left leaning people, are not happy with the Israeli Government Quiet Em 22 hrs ago #71
This is the crucial point. yardwork 12 hrs ago #89
If the defense of the slaughter of brown Muslim children is not racist I don't know what is. AloeVera 12 hrs ago #96
Who is defending the slaughter of children? yardwork 12 hrs ago #100
"I said 'Black' 50 times!" just popped into my head. betsuni 22 hrs ago #48
Yup. It's becoming a pattern and it's starting to seem like it's intentional. Quiet Em 22 hrs ago #67
Planter's a Sexual woman abuser, and Sanders Cha 23 hrs ago #26
See post #39. Nt AloeVera 22 hrs ago #68
They both said stupid stuff that came back to bite them on the ass? EX500rider 22 hrs ago #52
May the far left has a problem. RandySF 22 hrs ago #61
They are both flawed and probematic men who run as Democrats? Quiet Em 22 hrs ago #66
Here we go, it's starting. Lawrence is "flawed". AloeVera 22 hrs ago #70
I was going easy on him. Quiet Em 22 hrs ago #72
sleep on it, but when you wake up ask yourself why to think an ass like this is helpful in any way Quiet Em 22 hrs ago #73
Something about U.S. Middle East foreign policy being the most important single issue, apparently. betsuni 21 hrs ago #80
And it's getting really old and ridiculous Quiet Em 21 hrs ago #81
Top anti-Democratic attacks 2028: betsuni 20 hrs ago #83
Keep asking who benefits. yardwork 12 hrs ago #102
Has Bernie endorsed this guy? nt LexVegas Yesterday #11
Yup. N/T lapucelle Yesterday #12
Jamie Raskin recently endorsed William Lawrence. nt PufPuf23 23 hrs ago #35
Ugh...This is a seat that is currently held by the GOP. LeftInTX 22 hrs ago #47
This message was self-deleted by its author RandySF 22 hrs ago #64
Defangs the white left? mcar Yesterday #14
You see, the real problem is that Black imperialists are defanging white leftists. lapucelle Yesterday #19
Won't somebody help the poor, poor white men? mcar 23 hrs ago #20
They love to play the victim... see Cha 23 hrs ago #38
Republican voters think whites face the most discrimination, have fewer advantages. betsuni 21 hrs ago #74
Horseshoe threory Boo1 20 hrs ago #82
Like Platner, Lawrence is a white man who grew up in affluence and centers himself. lapucelle 12 hrs ago #92
I think it's time to start looking at influences. yardwork 12 hrs ago #97
Buzzfeed did a deep dive into allegations of racism in the Sunrise Movement. lapucelle 11 hrs ago #107
HUGE.RED.FLAG. Skittles 23 hrs ago #29
Black voters save our democracy over and over. yardwork Yesterday #16
This! mcar Yesterday #18
They do MustLoveBeagles 23 hrs ago #28
I'll never forget the Black Caucus standing up to Dubya being awarded the presidency by the SC Skittles 23 hrs ago #30
I was cheering them on MustLoveBeagles 22 hrs ago #62
I WAS TOO Skittles 21 hrs ago #75
I remember those types saying Black Democratic voters have Stockholm syndrome. betsuni 23 hrs ago #21
Pretty sure that was Manny Goldstein that posted that crap. sheshe2 23 hrs ago #44
I think it was WillyT, but Third Way Manny mocking Obama was also garbage, yet so popular. betsuni 22 hrs ago #54
I believe you are right, betsuni. sheshe2 22 hrs ago #60
Never did get along with Manny. MineralMan 12 hrs ago #99
True... sheshe2 11 hrs ago #106
Ohhhh, boy, dude.... electric_blue68 23 hrs ago #23
After what happened with Platner MustLoveBeagles 23 hrs ago #33
yup Skittles 23 hrs ago #34
I was a Platner skeptic who softened and became a supporter MustLoveBeagles 22 hrs ago #58
Guess what, bill. The whole quote, in context, is even MORE niyad 23 hrs ago #36
let's hope it's not another "nazi tattoo moment" Skittles 23 hrs ago #37
Let us indeed hope. niyad 23 hrs ago #40
Oh no! I'm getting him and candidate in AZ mixed up.... LeftInTX 23 hrs ago #42
"...the white left..." MorbidButterflyTat 23 hrs ago #43
It is bizarre sarisataka 22 hrs ago #50
I know, Stupid. Is that how they want Cha 19 hrs ago #87
The context sounds even worse. RandySF 22 hrs ago #53
In context it's clear what he meant, and it's awful. yardwork 12 hrs ago #90
Here is Lawrence's statement on X. AloeVera 22 hrs ago #56
CYA RandySF 22 hrs ago #65
He can't walk back the fact that he singled out Black politicians and voters. yardwork 12 hrs ago #91
Lawrence has all the Cha 22 hrs ago #69
I would like to thank those people on this forum who support the black community Keepthesoulalive 21 hrs ago #76
You're welcome, and as usual, Black Americans are holding the line. yardwork 12 hrs ago #104
There's no walking back or dressing it up RandySF 21 hrs ago #77
There is a small but sadly growing segment on the left that seem to think they need to imitate MAGA to win Quiet Em 21 hrs ago #78
Look at who is funding them. yardwork 12 hrs ago #105
Another "blow it all up" progressive awesomerwb1 18 hrs ago #88
Kick MorbidButterflyTat 7 hrs ago #116
... lapucelle 6 hrs ago #117
. MorbidButterflyTat 4 hrs ago #118
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