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jmbar2

(8,305 posts)
33. Great article
Fri Jul 10, 2026, 12:47 PM
Yesterday
Three gauges, all climbing into the red.

1. Popular immiseration- wage growth stagnation since the '70s
2. Wealth pump
3. Elite overproduction - "society produces far more ambitious, credentialed people than it has powerful positions to give them".

History’s revolutions, his data shows, are not led by the hungry. They are led by frustrated would-be elites who harness the anger of the hungry. The men in masks on July 4th were not peasants. Neither were the leaders of any uprising in his database.


Among the societies in Turchin’s crisis database, the ones that reached the condition America is in now, the outcomes read like a coroner’s ledger. Forty percent saw their rulers assassinated. Twenty percent endured civil wars that lasted a century. Three quarters ended in revolution or civil war or both. And sixty percent of them ceased to exist entirely, dissolved from within or conquered from without. Turchin’s current description of the United States, in his clinical vocabulary, is a society in a “revolutionary situation.”


And here is the finding I need you to hold onto: the clearest case of the peaceful exit in Turchin’s entire dataset is the United States of America. The Gilded Age ran the wealth pump exactly as it runs today, complete with private armies, street bombings, and contempt between the classes. And then, across the Progressive Era and the New Deal, the pump was deliberately throttled: taxation of great fortunes, the breakup of monopolies, the legalization of unions, the great expansion of education that gave surplus elites somewhere to go. What followed was the only period in the database where inequality reversed peacefully: the postwar decades of shared prosperity. If you are over sixty, you were born inside the third ending. It is not a theory. It is your childhood.


This analysis is exactly the same as my favorite economist, Gary Stevenson. His analysis covers both the US and Britain.

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Read the whole piece, y'all. K&R ms liberty Yesterday #1
You just gave me my first K&R! Dem_in_Nebr. Yesterday #2
K&R again! erronis Yesterday #9
Dayum! GPV Yesterday #3
Damn thats a good read. N/t gay texan Yesterday #4
Kick for later Unwind Your Mind Yesterday #5
Highly Recommended La Coliniere Yesterday #6
I KNEW My Allusions to 1789 Were More Truth Than.... ColoringFool Yesterday #7
You can just use pen and paper this time BaronChocula Yesterday #37
Ha! I very much dislike knitting! Clickety-click, clickety-click.......! ColoringFool Yesterday #62
Random related thought BaronChocula 22 hrs ago #75
I ain't no Spring chicken! ColoringFool 18 hrs ago #80
Excusez-moi moi, mais. . . Mme. Defarge 23 hrs ago #68
Turchin's article needs to be read by everyone. KS Toronado Yesterday #8
Excellent analysis dlk Yesterday #10
Bookmarked and Recommended CoopersDad Yesterday #11
Unfortunately angrychair Yesterday #12
"The greatest enemy of the United States, as far as both sides of Congress are concerned, is progressives." LymphocyteLover Yesterday #16
Congress has become a path to unlimited wealth angrychair Yesterday #20
who is "they" that will do anything to stop them? LymphocyteLover 9 hrs ago #83
Not true relogic Yesterday #24
Well said! DemocracyForever Yesterday #28
Democrats are a diverse coalition party and progressives are an important part of that coalition but are not the base LymphocyteLover 9 hrs ago #81
What? yardwork 22 hrs ago #73
The article is very interesting Klondike Kat Yesterday #13
Ok then dweller Yesterday #14
Ditto! Alice B. Yesterday #15
Sooo...like Asimov's Psychohistory progressoid Yesterday #17
are there any fictional characters more relevant to 2026 usa rampartd Yesterday #32
The Mule was sterile, unfortunately our mule is/was not... Wounded Bear Yesterday #39
another asimov concept is the laws of robotics rampartd Yesterday #52
Yes --- Monkey D Luffy Captain of the Straw Hat Pirates in One Piece JT45242 Yesterday #50
i'll have to find that one. rampartd Yesterday #51
Well worth everyone's time to read... Silver Gaia Yesterday #18
Brilliant! GiqueCee Yesterday #19
He's talking about Roosevelt's New Deal ... that's the third ending FakeNoose Yesterday #21
Highly recommended democrank Yesterday #22
Here's an important paragraph Bobstandard Yesterday #23
But that makes 195% of societies' outcomes Farmer-Rick 23 hrs ago #69
Kick ybbor Yesterday #25
I have always loved reading history. Snackshack Yesterday #26
A must-read article. Talitha Yesterday #27
Bush vs Gore started this nightmare DemocracyForever Yesterday #29
I could not agree more. hamsterjill Yesterday #54
Exactly! And then, within no time at all, came the Homeland Security Bill... BComplex Yesterday #64
There's a wild card this time, and that's generative AI and the surveillance AND DISTRACTIONS it offers. highplainsdem Yesterday #30
The writer and historian Morris Berman... keep_left Yesterday #31
Great article jmbar2 Yesterday #33
Thank you. This is consistent with a book I've been meaning to read, but is still far back in my schedule... NNadir Yesterday #34
Thank you for this post Dem_in_Nebr., and the link to Substack. I also subscibed. c-rational Yesterday #35
Bookmarking to read later. Thank you for sharing this - looks interesting. yellow dahlia Yesterday #36
The one difference is technology and the world economy Buckeyeblue Yesterday #38
Yes, and the impact of AI will be devastating in an Oligarchy that doesn't care if the masses suffer. Doodley 20 hrs ago #77
Wow, read the entire link. I see the bottom line as the powerful's continued use of the "Divide And Conquer" method. Exp Yesterday #40
who do you think is doing the organizing? NJCher Yesterday #47
I agree with you:: Exp Yesterday #48
Excellent article Wild blueberry Yesterday #41
Way worth reading. Another Jackalope Yesterday #42
Hhmm...wonder if the writer meant 1860, not 1870. mwmisses4289 Yesterday #43
The dates were a little odd, I agree. yardwork 9 hrs ago #82
As a person who did computer modelling of animals while in myPhD program 31j20b3 Yesterday #44
Cliodynamics has done better while I wasn't watching 4dog Yesterday #65
There is no scientific database that can predict history JCMach1 Yesterday #45
Generations by Strauss and Howe Deminpenn Yesterday #46
I've been collecting these cyclical interpreters. Have a whole file of them. NJCher Yesterday #49
Agreed, this fits very closely with "The Fourth Turning" LR3 Yesterday #57
The Fourth Turning is actually by at least one of "Generations" authors Deminpenn Yesterday #63
Which is historiography and not scientific at all... JCMach1 9 hrs ago #84
A great read revealing math based confirmation B.See Yesterday #53
"May you live in interesting times." is all the heads up I needed. OC375 Yesterday #55
We Missed An Off Ramp in 2008 modrepub Yesterday #56
Bookmarked for later read. GoodRaisin Yesterday #58
Read, kick, Rec malaise Yesterday #59
K&R. Excellent article... renordgren Yesterday #60
Sheesh! FINALLY got to this. calimary Yesterday #61
I did, too, 21 years ago and I posted it on DU. Kid Berwyn 23 hrs ago #66
We need the return of the FDR era Clouds Passing 23 hrs ago #67
🤔 who was the President some thought would be the next FDR ? dweller 23 hrs ago #70
Biden's policies were the closest to FDR. yardwork 22 hrs ago #74
FORMIDABLE! Mme. Defarge 23 hrs ago #71
One of the best things I've read in a long time. yardwork 22 hrs ago #72
KNR and bookmarking. niyad 20 hrs ago #76
K&R red dog 1 19 hrs ago #78
Karl Marx predicted this in 1867. BlueTsunami2018 19 hrs ago #79
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