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21. He's talking about Roosevelt's New Deal ... that's the third ending

Fri Jul 10, 2026, 12:09 PM

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No one-per-center (besides FDR) ever chose that ending, it was forced on them by Americans who spent their lives being exploited and used by the ultra-wealthy. If Europe had had a New Deal leader like FDR there probably never would have been a Hitler or World War II. But that's beside the point.

I've read a couple of Peter Turchin's books and they are quite inspiring. There's more to this than computer modelling, it's a synthesis of history, economics and cultural influences. It's worth the time to track down Turchin's books.

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He Predicted America's Crisis Sixteen Years Ago, to the Year. His Database Says It Ends Three Ways. [View all] Dem_in_Nebr. Yesterday OP

Read the whole piece, y'all. K&R ms liberty Yesterday #1

You just gave me my first K&R! Dem_in_Nebr. Yesterday #2

K&R again! erronis Yesterday #9

Dayum! GPV Yesterday #3

Damn thats a good read. N/t gay texan Yesterday #4

Kick for later Unwind Your Mind Yesterday #5

Highly Recommended La Coliniere Yesterday #6

I KNEW My Allusions to 1789 Were More Truth Than.... ColoringFool Yesterday #7

You can just use pen and paper this time BaronChocula Yesterday #37

Ha! I very much dislike knitting! Clickety-click, clickety-click.......! ColoringFool 21 hrs ago #62

Random related thought BaronChocula 19 hrs ago #75

I ain't no Spring chicken! ColoringFool 15 hrs ago #80

Excusez-moi moi, mais. . . Mme. Defarge 20 hrs ago #68

Turchin's article needs to be read by everyone. KS Toronado Yesterday #8

Excellent analysis dlk Yesterday #10

Bookmarked and Recommended CoopersDad Yesterday #11

Unfortunately angrychair Yesterday #12

"The greatest enemy of the United States, as far as both sides of Congress are concerned, is progressives." LymphocyteLover Yesterday #16

Congress has become a path to unlimited wealth angrychair Yesterday #20

who is "they" that will do anything to stop them? LymphocyteLover 6 hrs ago #83

Not true relogic Yesterday #24

Well said! DemocracyForever Yesterday #28

Democrats are a diverse coalition party and progressives are an important part of that coalition but are not the base LymphocyteLover 6 hrs ago #81

What? yardwork 19 hrs ago #73

The article is very interesting Klondike Kat Yesterday #13

Ok then dweller Yesterday #14

Ditto! Alice B. Yesterday #15

Sooo...like Asimov's Psychohistory progressoid Yesterday #17

are there any fictional characters more relevant to 2026 usa rampartd Yesterday #32

The Mule was sterile, unfortunately our mule is/was not... Wounded Bear Yesterday #39

another asimov concept is the laws of robotics rampartd 23 hrs ago #52

Yes --- Monkey D Luffy Captain of the Straw Hat Pirates in One Piece JT45242 23 hrs ago #50

i'll have to find that one. rampartd 23 hrs ago #51

Well worth everyone's time to read... Silver Gaia Yesterday #18

Brilliant! GiqueCee Yesterday #19

He's talking about Roosevelt's New Deal ... that's the third ending FakeNoose Yesterday #21

Highly recommended democrank Yesterday #22

Here's an important paragraph Bobstandard Yesterday #23

But that makes 195% of societies' outcomes Farmer-Rick 20 hrs ago #69

Kick ybbor Yesterday #25

I have always loved reading history. Snackshack Yesterday #26

A must-read article. Talitha Yesterday #27

Bush vs Gore started this nightmare DemocracyForever Yesterday #29

I could not agree more. hamsterjill 23 hrs ago #54

Exactly! And then, within no time at all, came the Homeland Security Bill... BComplex 21 hrs ago #64

There's a wild card this time, and that's generative AI and the surveillance AND DISTRACTIONS it offers. highplainsdem Yesterday #30

The writer and historian Morris Berman... keep_left Yesterday #31

Great article jmbar2 Yesterday #33

Thank you. This is consistent with a book I've been meaning to read, but is still far back in my schedule... NNadir Yesterday #34

Thank you for this post Dem_in_Nebr., and the link to Substack. I also subscibed. c-rational Yesterday #35

Bookmarking to read later. Thank you for sharing this - looks interesting. yellow dahlia Yesterday #36

The one difference is technology and the world economy Buckeyeblue Yesterday #38

Yes, and the impact of AI will be devastating in an Oligarchy that doesn't care if the masses suffer. Doodley 17 hrs ago #77

Wow, read the entire link. I see the bottom line as the powerful's continued use of the "Divide And Conquer" method. Exp Yesterday #40

who do you think is doing the organizing? NJCher Yesterday #47

I agree with you:: Exp Yesterday #48

Excellent article Wild blueberry Yesterday #41

Way worth reading. Another Jackalope Yesterday #42

Hhmm...wonder if the writer meant 1860, not 1870. mwmisses4289 Yesterday #43

The dates were a little odd, I agree. yardwork 6 hrs ago #82

As a person who did computer modelling of animals while in myPhD program 31j20b3 Yesterday #44

Cliodynamics has done better while I wasn't watching 4dog 21 hrs ago #65

There is no scientific database that can predict history JCMach1 Yesterday #45

Generations by Strauss and Howe Deminpenn Yesterday #46

I've been collecting these cyclical interpreters. Have a whole file of them. NJCher Yesterday #49

Agreed, this fits very closely with "The Fourth Turning" LR3 22 hrs ago #57

The Fourth Turning is actually by at least one of "Generations" authors Deminpenn 21 hrs ago #63

Which is historiography and not scientific at all... JCMach1 6 hrs ago #84

A great read revealing math based confirmation B.See 23 hrs ago #53

"May you live in interesting times." is all the heads up I needed. OC375 23 hrs ago #55

We Missed An Off Ramp in 2008 modrepub 23 hrs ago #56

Bookmarked for later read. GoodRaisin 22 hrs ago #58

Read, kick, Rec malaise 22 hrs ago #59

K&R. Excellent article... renordgren 22 hrs ago #60

Sheesh! FINALLY got to this. calimary 22 hrs ago #61

I did, too, 21 years ago and I posted it on DU. Kid Berwyn 20 hrs ago #66

We need the return of the FDR era Clouds Passing 20 hrs ago #67

🤔 who was the President some thought would be the next FDR ? dweller 20 hrs ago #70

Biden's policies were the closest to FDR. yardwork 19 hrs ago #74

FORMIDABLE! Mme. Defarge 20 hrs ago #71

One of the best things I've read in a long time. yardwork 19 hrs ago #72

KNR and bookmarking. niyad 17 hrs ago #76

K&R red dog 1 16 hrs ago #78

Karl Marx predicted this in 1867. BlueTsunami2018 16 hrs ago #79