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Dlpger61

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130. 15%

Mon Jun 22, 2026, 01:03 PM

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According to Pew Research Center 15% of black men voted for Trump. The concern should not be about how many black men or women voted for him. The number of minorities should not be a major concern either. The overwhelming number of white men and women voted for him. The problem is not minorities voting for him or Republicans it’s white people who continue to vote against their own best interest because they do not want to give up their privilege.

When this issue is addressed within the white community, then and only then can this country progress beyond its current situation. However, it will not because white people are under the impression that if minorities are treated equally they lose.

Please stop placing blame on others when the elephant in the room lies on the shoulders of white people.

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The Guardian nails it: White working class votes for white supremacists. Period. [View all] AverageOldGuy Yesterday OP

Kick dalton99a Yesterday #1

Thank you for posting this. It's the plain truth. n/t Mister Ed Yesterday #2

The American Civil War NEVER ENDED. NoMoreRepugs Yesterday #3

Had I been in power in 1865 lonely bird 10 hrs ago #115

I agree and I've been in Alabama for 60-plus years misanthrope 4 hrs ago #136

No it did not and it has been obvious misanthrope 4 hrs ago #135

Yup. Ocelot II Yesterday #4

White Working Class includes a lot of others now--given the devastating economy-- so... hlthe2b Yesterday #5

It's a long article, worth the read. yardwork Yesterday #44

I agree that it is about racism, but economics are also a factor. wnylib Yesterday #67

Democrats did lose 30% of the young, male, black vote. questionseverything Yesterday #70

In part because Democrats are now defending gay and trans people. Wednesdays Yesterday #84

Empathy is looked down on wolfie001 9 hrs ago #119

I venture to guess many/most DUers are "working class" and a lot are White. Are they all to be lumped in hlthe2b Yesterday #88

In a sense, "access to power over other racial groups" is still viewed by lower class whites as an economic advantage. sop Yesterday #6

+1 dalton99a Yesterday #11

Great OP malaise Yesterday #7

"I may get screwed over, but the Other, the 'They', they get screwed over even more." ck4829 Yesterday #8

I'm white working class. I am not MAGA! I am not racist! Please stop stereotyping. Doodley Yesterday #9

You're right. It would be more accurate to add the modifier "some" before "white working class." sop Yesterday #13

I live in a "working class" neighborhood in metro Detroit. Kid Berwyn Yesterday #22

+1 Auggie Yesterday #32

This message was self-deleted by its author yardwork Yesterday #45

Geez. Nobody is stereotyping. yardwork Yesterday #46

Not sure that "strong majority" of white working class still holds true. Not all white working class KPN Yesterday #65

I don't know a single Trump voter who says they regret their vote. yardwork Yesterday #77

I've never heard one say, "I think Trump is terrible, I regret voting for him, I think I'll vote 'D' next time." sop 9 hrs ago #116

We cannot discuss race without someone being offended Keepthesoulalive Yesterday #49

As a white person I just don't understand the defensiveness. yardwork Yesterday #60

Race is an uncomfortable subject Keepthesoulalive Yesterday #64

A lot of Americans cling to our mythology. yardwork Yesterday #73

It's classic bean souping... meadowlander 16 hrs ago #106

24% of black men voted for Trump. Why? It isn't as simple as black versus white. Yes, you need modifiers unless you Doodley 10 hrs ago #113

The problem with any discussion about race Keepthesoulalive 7 hrs ago #123

I'm not being defensive. I can talk about race all day, but stop stereotyping--that's what racism is. Doodley 5 hrs ago #125

You're being defensive now Keepthesoulalive 5 hrs ago #127

Sorry if you don't like my opinion that you shouldn't stereotype and that stereotyping is what racism is. Doodley 5 hrs ago #128

Once more for the folks in the audience Keepthesoulalive 4 hrs ago #129

You are wrong in your assumptions about me. 11 people recommended my reply in which I objected to the stereotyping. Doodley 4 hrs ago #131

Okay Keepthesoulalive 4 hrs ago #132

Let's have a truce and accept maybe we misunderstood each other. I apologize if my tone was aggressive. Doodley 4 hrs ago #134

We're all good Keepthesoulalive 3 hrs ago #137

15% Dlpger61 4 hrs ago #130

It is actually 21 percent according to Pew. Doodley 4 hrs ago #133

Absolute agreement. Literalism can be a popular pablum allowing Torchlight 6 hrs ago #124

I'm white working-class male and I Dr. T Yesterday #51

Good for you Cirsium Yesterday #76

What are you talking about? Doodley 10 hrs ago #114

This Cirsium 1 hr ago #139

Spot on ABC123Easy Yesterday #10

Bill Clinton had a chance to change this when he was in the White House FakeNoose Yesterday #12

I can remember a picture of Clinton & Gore with a credit-card type card that would be your access card to Universal NBachers Yesterday #27

Yeah, Clinton's eight years of peace and prosperity comradebillyboy Yesterday #38

If not President Clinton MorbidButterflyTat Yesterday #78

That's not what I implied, but thanks for sharing your thoughts FakeNoose Yesterday #87

The majority of white people have voted republican since LBJ Keepthesoulalive Yesterday #39

They started leaving way before Bill Clinion DFW Yesterday #40

LBJ knew he was going to lose the southern racists by signing the Civil Rights Act FakeNoose Yesterday #89

Read the essay linked in the OP. yardwork Yesterday #47

No. White working class left in post-civil rights era after the two parties diverged on race, cultural changes. betsuni Yesterday #55

Fox News and hate radio push a steady diet of anti-Black, anti-immigrant messaging. yardwork Yesterday #58

At the gym yesterday .. justsomeguy01 Yesterday #62

From the Right: "liberals hate white people," other direction: "Dem establishment ignores white working class betsuni Yesterday #66

...to his credit.. thomski64 9 hrs ago #117

Not true Cirsium Yesterday #75

I would hate to see anyone here take what the author said personally. ShazzieB 15 hrs ago #109

How do you "install" universal healthcare? LisaM 22 hrs ago #103

Myth there are simple solutions for everything but corrupt establishment stops it. betsuni 16 hrs ago #107

Clinton wasn't the only thing happening when white working class started leaving MadameButterfly 11 hrs ago #112

While often true, it's not a universal, absolute truth Fiendish Thingy Yesterday #14

But will they continue to vote for the party of progress Keepthesoulalive Yesterday #68

The paradigm has shifted Fiendish Thingy Yesterday #86

I wish I could share your enthusiasm Keepthesoulalive Yesterday #91

The evidence indicates the billionaires are losing Fiendish Thingy Yesterday #98

They will control the House for a generation. mr715 Yesterday #94

I think it is important to note that West Virginia mr715 Yesterday #92

But why Keepthesoulalive Yesterday #93

White, working class voters. mr715 Yesterday #95

West Virginia is one of the most beautiful states Keepthesoulalive Yesterday #97

Republicans told people Democratic environmental regulations would take all their jobs. betsuni 15 hrs ago #108

"centrist, neoliberalism and triangulation, deregulation of energy" -- for example? Blame Democrats! betsuni 14 hrs ago #110

That's true. Janbdwl72 16 hrs ago #105

And Carter in 1980 mr715 5 hrs ago #126

Worth reading, and here's the money shot... TygrBright Yesterday #15

+1 leftstreet 7 hrs ago #122

When I hear him say make Americkkka great again it's really make racism great again! kimbutgar Yesterday #16

great read. mopinko Yesterday #17

I worked in Greenville MS back in 1989 when Boeing had a plant there KS Toronado Yesterday #18

There is in group discussion Keepthesoulalive Yesterday #59

Really wish more on DU would understand this reality. rogue emissary Yesterday #19

It's a shallow combination of ownership within class identity and fear of unknown competition haele Yesterday #50

Yes, artificial and unnecessary division based on falsehood that Democrats "ignore the working class." betsuni Yesterday #71

And these beliefs and preferences are very difficult to counter, even with the "right messaging" Redleg Yesterday #20

The story of the white sharecropper poisoning his black sharecropper neighbor's mule come to mind. Squaredeal Yesterday #21

Jeezus. Humans need a reboot. Joinfortmill Yesterday #25

This message was self-deleted by its author MerryBlooms 23 hrs ago #102

Republicans understand this. SamuelAdams Yesterday #23

dumb, dumber, dumbest Joinfortmill Yesterday #24

I think they need somebody to look down on. zanana1 Yesterday #26

I wonder if there's not some of that going on with "us" TheProle Yesterday #57

Well, we look down on MAGA. zanana1 9 hrs ago #118

MAGA is simply shorthand for anyone who slavishly supports and follows Trump. sop 9 hrs ago #120

Sounds like the older part of my family....MAGATs all BeneteauBum Yesterday #28

This is a "duh" headline..white working class vote their hate for "the other"... agingdem Yesterday #29

Not really "duh" since we aren't used to seeing this from the media, at least in the U.S. Redleg Yesterday #30

The Guardian is British paper...our papers/MSM are so terrified of MAGA agingdem Yesterday #35

... Solly Mack Yesterday #31

Worked in an auto plant just West of Detroit. multigraincracker Yesterday #33

We need to go back to colorblind (if we still can) gulliver Yesterday #34

Yes, this is central to understanding the American project and why it has failed. nt Blasphemer Yesterday #36

"Mississippi Burning" duckworth969 Yesterday #37

A great movie- I doubt it would be made today, given the kow-towing to Trump Redleg Yesterday #43

It's because of racism we can't have the nice things that folks have in other rich countries. Fil1957 Yesterday #41

And yet...guys like Graham Platner, Zohran Mamdani, Abdul El Sayed biocube Yesterday #42

Post removed Post removed Yesterday #48

And what about brown men with "foreign-sounding names" like Mamdani and El Sayed? biocube Yesterday #54

American Arabs are white adjacent in the minds of many. yardwork Yesterday #56

That's just great. MorbidButterflyTat Yesterday #82

What rhetoric is Platner using that signals he is a racist? I find your attack on him to be problematic at best. He is Celerity Yesterday #90

What is the point? Cirsium Yesterday #79

And yet...Andrew Cuomo won white voters in NYC SocialDemocrat61 8 hrs ago #121

Ive pushed back on this for decades Cosmocat Yesterday #52

yes, like Black people have known since forever yobrault1 Yesterday #53

While I agree to a point, but it's waaay more complicated than that. paleotn Yesterday #61

We enable that to happen, by ... Bluetus Yesterday #63

Noooooo! We Just Need To UNDERSTAND THEM! TALK With Them! Really.....! ColoringFool Yesterday #69

I live in Pennsylvania and I know plenty of people like that. Alice B. Yesterday #72

I grew up in rural Ohio and I hear it often from people I grew up with. yardwork Yesterday #74

People start framing things like, the "Obama Library" MorbidButterflyTat Yesterday #83

Which is why we will never see a black Republican presidential nominee in our lifetimes. Wednesdays Yesterday #80

Saida Grundy nails it Cirsium Yesterday #81

The ruling class uses racism orthoclad Yesterday #85

All American racists love Trump and would never vote for anyone else. Martin68 Yesterday #96

Wish i could JustAnotherGen Yesterday #99

Some eyes are being opened here Keepthesoulalive 18 hrs ago #104

Yes, has The Guardian stamp of progressive approval, no shooting the messenger. All data says same thing. betsuni 14 hrs ago #111

We have made progress in the face of racist forces manipulated by corrupt wealth. We will again. pat_k 23 hrs ago #100

Keeping it sinple and visual. usonian 23 hrs ago #101

The same white working class that put Biden over the top in 2020? TheProle 3 hrs ago #138