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115. Had I been in power in 1865

Mon Jun 22, 2026, 07:02 AM

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I would have deported every single Southerner. Anyone that took arms against the country would have been imprisoned and all generals and politicians on the federal level executed. Treason should have been made odious.

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The Guardian nails it: White working class votes for white supremacists. Period. [View all] AverageOldGuy 23 hrs ago OP

Kick dalton99a 23 hrs ago #1

Thank you for posting this. It's the plain truth. n/t Mister Ed 23 hrs ago #2

The American Civil War NEVER ENDED. NoMoreRepugs 23 hrs ago #3

Had I been in power in 1865 lonely bird 2 hrs ago #115

Yup. Ocelot II 23 hrs ago #4

White Working Class includes a lot of others now--given the devastating economy-- so... hlthe2b 23 hrs ago #5

It's a long article, worth the read. yardwork 21 hrs ago #44

I agree that it is about racism, but economics are also a factor. wnylib 19 hrs ago #67

Democrats did lose 30% of the young, male, black vote. questionseverything 19 hrs ago #70

In part because Democrats are now defending gay and trans people. Wednesdays 18 hrs ago #84

Empathy is looked down on wolfie001 1 hr ago #119

I venture to guess many/most DUers are "working class" and a lot are White. Are they all to be lumped in hlthe2b 18 hrs ago #88

In a sense, "access to power over other racial groups" is still viewed by lower class whites as an economic advantage. sop 23 hrs ago #6

+1 dalton99a 22 hrs ago #11

Great OP malaise 23 hrs ago #7

"I may get screwed over, but the Other, the 'They', they get screwed over even more." ck4829 23 hrs ago #8

I'm white working class. I am not MAGA! I am not racist! Please stop stereotyping. Doodley 23 hrs ago #9

You're right. It would be more accurate to add the modifier "some" before "white working class." sop 22 hrs ago #13

I live in a "working class" neighborhood in metro Detroit. Kid Berwyn 22 hrs ago #22

+1 Auggie 21 hrs ago #32

This message was self-deleted by its author yardwork 21 hrs ago #45

Geez. Nobody is stereotyping. yardwork 21 hrs ago #46

Not sure that "strong majority" of white working class still holds true. Not all white working class KPN 20 hrs ago #65

I don't know a single Trump voter who says they regret their vote. yardwork 18 hrs ago #77

I've never heard one say, "I think Trump is terrible, I regret voting for him, I think I'll vote 'D' next time." sop 1 hr ago #116

We cannot discuss race without someone being offended Keepthesoulalive 21 hrs ago #49

As a white person I just don't understand the defensiveness. yardwork 20 hrs ago #60

Race is an uncomfortable subject Keepthesoulalive 20 hrs ago #64

A lot of Americans cling to our mythology. yardwork 19 hrs ago #73

It's classic bean souping... meadowlander 7 hrs ago #106

24% of black men voted for Trump. Why? It isn't as simple as black versus white. Yes, you need modifiers unless you Doodley 2 hrs ago #113

I'm white working-class male and I Dr. T 21 hrs ago #51

Good for you Cirsium 19 hrs ago #76

What are you talking about? Doodley 2 hrs ago #114

Spot on ABC123Easy 23 hrs ago #10

Bill Clinton had a chance to change this when he was in the White House FakeNoose 22 hrs ago #12

I can remember a picture of Clinton & Gore with a credit-card type card that would be your access card to Universal NBachers 22 hrs ago #27

Yeah, Clinton's eight years of peace and prosperity comradebillyboy 21 hrs ago #38

If not President Clinton MorbidButterflyTat 18 hrs ago #78

That's not what I implied, but thanks for sharing your thoughts FakeNoose 18 hrs ago #87

The majority of white people have voted republican since LBJ Keepthesoulalive 21 hrs ago #39

They started leaving way before Bill Clinion DFW 21 hrs ago #40

LBJ knew he was going to lose the southern racists by signing the Civil Rights Act FakeNoose 18 hrs ago #89

Read the essay linked in the OP. yardwork 21 hrs ago #47

No. White working class left in post-civil rights era after the two parties diverged on race, cultural changes. betsuni 20 hrs ago #55

Fox News and hate radio push a steady diet of anti-Black, anti-immigrant messaging. yardwork 20 hrs ago #58

At the gym yesterday .. justsomeguy01 20 hrs ago #62

From the Right: "liberals hate white people," other direction: "Dem establishment ignores white working class betsuni 19 hrs ago #66

...to his credit.. thomski64 1 hr ago #117

Not true Cirsium 19 hrs ago #75

I would hate to see anyone here take what the author said personally. ShazzieB 6 hrs ago #109

How do you "install" universal healthcare? LisaM 14 hrs ago #103

Myth there are simple solutions for everything but corrupt establishment stops it. betsuni 7 hrs ago #107

Clinton wasn't the only thing happening when white working class started leaving MadameButterfly 3 hrs ago #112

While often true, it's not a universal, absolute truth Fiendish Thingy 22 hrs ago #14

But will they continue to vote for the party of progress Keepthesoulalive 19 hrs ago #68

The paradigm has shifted Fiendish Thingy 18 hrs ago #86

I wish I could share your enthusiasm Keepthesoulalive 17 hrs ago #91

The evidence indicates the billionaires are losing Fiendish Thingy 17 hrs ago #98

They will control the House for a generation. mr715 17 hrs ago #94

I think it is important to note that West Virginia mr715 17 hrs ago #92

But why Keepthesoulalive 17 hrs ago #93

White, working class voters. mr715 17 hrs ago #95

West Virginia is one of the most beautiful states Keepthesoulalive 17 hrs ago #97

Republicans told people Democratic environmental regulations would take all their jobs. betsuni 7 hrs ago #108

"centrist, neoliberalism and triangulation, deregulation of energy" -- for example? Blame Democrats! betsuni 6 hrs ago #110

That's true. Janbdwl72 8 hrs ago #105

Worth reading, and here's the money shot... TygrBright 22 hrs ago #15

When I hear him say make Americkkka great again it's really make racism great again! kimbutgar 22 hrs ago #16

great read. mopinko 22 hrs ago #17

I worked in Greenville MS back in 1989 when Boeing had a plant there KS Toronado 22 hrs ago #18

There is in group discussion Keepthesoulalive 20 hrs ago #59

Really wish more on DU would understand this reality. rogue emissary 22 hrs ago #19

It's a shallow combination of ownership within class identity and fear of unknown competition haele 21 hrs ago #50

Yes, artificial and unnecessary division based on falsehood that Democrats "ignore the working class." betsuni 19 hrs ago #71

And these beliefs and preferences are very difficult to counter, even with the "right messaging" Redleg 22 hrs ago #20

The story of the white sharecropper poisoning his black sharecropper neighbor's mule come to mind. Squaredeal 22 hrs ago #21

Jeezus. Humans need a reboot. Joinfortmill 22 hrs ago #25

Not all white sharecroppers were racist pieces of crap. MerryBlooms 14 hrs ago #102

Republicans understand this. SamuelAdams 22 hrs ago #23

dumb, dumber, dumbest Joinfortmill 22 hrs ago #24

I think they need somebody to look down on. zanana1 22 hrs ago #26

I wonder if there's not some of that going on with "us" TheProle 20 hrs ago #57

Well, we look down on MAGA. zanana1 1 hr ago #118

MAGA is simply shorthand for anyone who slavishly supports and follows Trump. sop 47 min ago #120

Sounds like the older part of my family....MAGATs all BeneteauBum 22 hrs ago #28

This is a "duh" headline..white working class vote their hate for "the other"... agingdem 22 hrs ago #29

Not really "duh" since we aren't used to seeing this from the media, at least in the U.S. Redleg 22 hrs ago #30

The Guardian is British paper...our papers/MSM are so terrified of MAGA agingdem 21 hrs ago #35

... Solly Mack 21 hrs ago #31

Worked in an auto plant just West of Detroit. multigraincracker 21 hrs ago #33

We need to go back to colorblind (if we still can) gulliver 21 hrs ago #34

Yes, this is central to understanding the American project and why it has failed. nt Blasphemer 21 hrs ago #36

"Mississippi Burning" duckworth969 21 hrs ago #37

A great movie- I doubt it would be made today, given the kow-towing to Trump Redleg 21 hrs ago #43

It's because of racism we can't have the nice things that folks have in other rich countries. Fil1957 21 hrs ago #41

And yet...guys like Graham Platner, Zohran Mamdani, Abdul El Sayed biocube 21 hrs ago #42

Post removed Post removed 21 hrs ago #48

And what about brown men with "foreign-sounding names" like Mamdani and El Sayed? biocube 21 hrs ago #54

American Arabs are white adjacent in the minds of many. yardwork 20 hrs ago #56

That's just great. MorbidButterflyTat 18 hrs ago #82

What rhetoric is Platner using that signals he is a racist? I find your attack on him to be problematic at best. He is Celerity 17 hrs ago #90

What is the point? Cirsium 18 hrs ago #79

Ive pushed back on this for decades Cosmocat 21 hrs ago #52

yes, like Black people have known since forever yobrault1 21 hrs ago #53

While I agree to a point, but it's waaay more complicated than that. paleotn 20 hrs ago #61

We enable that to happen, by ... Bluetus 20 hrs ago #63

Noooooo! We Just Need To UNDERSTAND THEM! TALK With Them! Really.....! ColoringFool 19 hrs ago #69

I live in Pennsylvania and I know plenty of people like that. Alice B. 19 hrs ago #72

I grew up in rural Ohio and I hear it often from people I grew up with. yardwork 19 hrs ago #74

People start framing things like, the "Obama Library" MorbidButterflyTat 18 hrs ago #83

Which is why we will never see a black Republican presidential nominee in our lifetimes. Wednesdays 18 hrs ago #80

Saida Grundy nails it Cirsium 18 hrs ago #81

The ruling class uses racism orthoclad 18 hrs ago #85

All American racists love Trump and would never vote for anyone else. Martin68 17 hrs ago #96

Wish i could JustAnotherGen 16 hrs ago #99

Some eyes are being opened here Keepthesoulalive 9 hrs ago #104

Yes, has The Guardian stamp of progressive approval, no shooting the messenger. All data says same thing. betsuni 5 hrs ago #111

We have made progress in the face of racist forces manipulated by corrupt wealth. We will again. pat_k 15 hrs ago #100

Keeping it sinple and visual. usonian 15 hrs ago #101