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genxlib

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4. I would argue the opposite
Sun Jun 14, 2026, 02:43 PM
Sunday

There was always the implied threat of force despite the peaceful nature of that agreement. Everyone, everywhere knew that they could be hurt militarily if they didn't go along.

Hegseth is arguing that such threat has been made real to them so it is no longer an implied threat.

BUT... I would argue that they took the beating and remained defiant. Including a real power play in the Strait of Hormuz.

I don't think they learned the lesson that Whiskey Pete thinks they learned. I think they learned that we are isolated from our allies and reluctant to escalate to a ground war. They also learned that they had a lot more geopolitical leverage in Hormuz than they realized.

So here we are full circle trying to get the same deal while also giving control of the Strait to them as a protection racket.

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Now I get it. It's still total BS. [View all] senseandsensibility Sunday OP
His Statement Is Self-Indicting ProfessorGAC Sunday #1
This message was self-deleted by its author ShazzieB Sunday #16
We also received damage to our bases IbogaProject Sunday #17
He and his mobster buddies believe they need to be unnecessarily cruel haele Sunday #2
True. Here's Michael Ledeen Grins Yesterday #34
We are not getting back to where we were. Not even close. RockRaven Sunday #3
I would argue the opposite genxlib Sunday #4
The only fool that starts a war he doesn't need and can't Colgate 64 Sunday #5
The alienation of former allies to help Putin lose his war-crimes. Justice matters. Sunday #8
Trumped-Up enthusiasts are dangerously stupid. czarjak Sunday #6
How incredibly stupid and incompetent odins folly Sunday #7
"USA is NOT the most powerful nation in the world anymore" Martin Eden Sunday #11
Yes! odins folly Sunday #14
Not to mention lonely bird Yesterday #28
I suppopse most of our adversaries already knew our military was 60 years out of date Bluetus Sunday #22
Entrenched interests of the military industrial complex Martin Eden Sunday #23
Normally the M-I-C loves periodic wars to burn off stuff that has to be replaced Bluetus Yesterday #24
To achieve the goal without the threat of force is a big plus on my book. Martin Eden Sunday #9
The JCPOA was NOT just Obama and Iran. House of Roberts Sunday #10
There is NO WAY #rump will get as good a deal as the one he ripped up William Seger Sunday #12
This whole administration is one giant clusterfuck Galraedia Sunday #13
Hegseth Is OBSESSED WITH "War," "Warriors," "Force,"......." ColoringFool Sunday #15
This is still the best commentary I've seen regarding Iran: Totally Tunsie Sunday #18
Iran says: OK, America, learnt your lesson? Aussie105 Sunday #19
War Crimes vapor2 Sunday #20
The U.S. will never get back to 2015 where we respected each other dave99 Sunday #21
What Hegseth meant was, the first agreement was made by the Obama administration and the international community ChicagoTeamster Yesterday #25
Kept Epstein out of the news for a good while. usonian Yesterday #26
"I'm glad that very few are buying it." OldBaldy1701E Yesterday #27
13 U.S. service members were killed for what? Emile Yesterday #29
Also, it is NOT a deal yet, at best it is an MOU to make a nuclear deal karynnj Yesterday #30
$260 billion spent over 4 months to achieve... the status quo Torchlight Yesterday #31
Hegseth is a drunken freak-show poser Blue Owl Yesterday #32
Not to mention we burned through half of our Tomahawk missile inventory SpankMe Yesterday #33
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