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In reply to the discussion: Why is so much effort being spent defending a Nazi symbol? [View all]sarisataka
(22,948 posts)101. Which genocide
Following is a list of the current genocides, their location, the approximate year they began, and the death toll estimates.
-Tibet, 1953-present: 400,000-1.2 million+ Tibetans killed under the occupation of the Peoples Republic of China.
It was the Peoples Liberation Army of China which invaded in the 1950s and began the killings, deportations, cultural and religious suppression, and military occupation. The Chinese communist government has committed many acts of genocide, intentional famine, and ethnic cleansing over the last eight decades. Do not be fooled by their militarys name, the Peoples Liberation Army, they are a communist country and use the military and the state to commit genocides and massacres.
-Sri Lanka, 1956-present: 154,000-253,818+ Tamils killed. The UN and US have been called complicit in this genocide, which had particularly violent years during their civil war which began in 1983.
-North Korean prison camps, 1959-present: Unknown thousands, perhaps millions, have passed through the vast network of prison and reeducation camps, with an unknown number of deaths.
Conditions are so deplorable that an estimated 40% of prisoners die of malnutrition/starvation, and unknown thousands die at the hands of the guards. As of 2019, an estimated 80,000-200,000 prisoners were imprisoned in the camp network.
-Papua New Guinea, 1962-present: 100,000-500,000 killed.
-Colombia, 1964-present: 220,000-800,000 killed and at least 7 million displaced.
-Hmong people in Southeast Asia, 1975-present: 100,000-300,000 Hmong and other minorities killed.
-Tigray, Ethiopia, 1990-present: 2-6 million people are missing and over 2 million are displaced.
A discrepancy of 4 million people is quite large, one might question the validity of estimates like this. There are many things preventing accurate death tolls and missing tolls, but most importantly is that the crisis is not over so proper investigations cannot be completed so information is often reported by the citizens. Most often, the people committing the genocide will underestimate the deaths or disappearances, and sometimes those suffering will inflate the numbers. Sometimes people have no birth records, often there are no death records, some people could escape and disappear themselves, and many are likely dead but there is no evidence, so they become part of the missing statistic.
-Afghanistan, 1996-present: An unknown amount of ethnic minorities, especially the Hazara people, killed in dozens of massacres, including the Mazar-i-Sharif massacre, when 2,000-20,000 people were killed.
In rural and impoverished areas such as in Afghanistan, people often cannot get birth certificates for their babies, thus making it harder to determine an accurate census and death toll for massacres. A study done in 2017 found that only 42% of Afghan children over age five had a birth certificate, and prior to the 21st century most adults would not have had one. Therefore, when the Taliban or ISIS/ISIL massacres a secluded village, killing undocumented people, and burning the evidence, those people did not have a birth record or a death record, and nobody was able to investigate. Victims are killed and buried in mass graves, drowned, or buried in wells, and these crimes are not often investigated by outside agencies.
-Democratic Republic of the Congo, early 2000s-present, an unknown number of deaths (they are not often counted) due to artisanal mining in slave-like conditions, and over 5.5 million people are displaced.
Some do not consider the crisis to be a genocide because it is forced labor, child labor, and human trafficking. And the history of slavery, generally, is not often thought of as a genocide, but slavery is in fact genocide. What is happening to the Congolese is a genocide if one only considers part of the definition from Article II of the Convention, Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group, and, Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part, regardless of mass killings or not.
-Darfur, Sudan, 2003-present: 98,000-500,000 killed and at least 10.7 million people are displaced.
-Libya, 2011-present: 15,000-30,000 killed in 2011 alone, hundreds more are killed each year, however there is strong media censorship in Libya.
-Mali, 2012-present; 10,800+ killed and over 5 million displaced.
-Syria, 2013-present; 116,000+ killed and over 11 million displaced.
--Yemen, 2014-present; 233,000+ killed and 4.5 million displaced.
-China, 2014-present; at least 2 million ethnic minorities (primarily the Uyghur ethnic group) have been detained in re-education camps with an unknown death toll.
-Burkina Faso, 2016-present; 1,850+ killed and at least 1 million displaced.
-Cameroon, 2016-present; 6,000+ killed and 600,000+ displaced.
-Myanmar, 2016-present; 25,000-43,000+ killed and over 1 million displaced.
-Ukraine, 2022-present; 10,000+ killed, over 12 million displaced, and between 900,000 and 1.6 million people forcibly deported to Russia, including unaccompanied abducted children.
The Former Soviet Union has a long history of forcibly displacing and relocating civilians, and those who support the Soviet brand of communism will deny this as well as the current genocide of Ukrainians. Forced deportations and removing children from families is part of the definition of genocide, as well.
-Gaza (occupied Palestine), 2023-present; 41,788+ killed, 21,000+ missing, and 2 million displaced.
Estimates of deaths rise up to 180,000+ based on historical data of genocides and a lack of data from the Gaza health ministry which collapsed a few months into the genocide.
Note: All of these death tolls are as of September 2024.
https://truthlytics.com/20-ongoing-genocides-you-should-know-about/
All of them are worthy of OPs
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I just don't see the responses as going down the path of revisionist history.
CivicGrief
Yesterday
#193
Of course people here would not defend Hegesth if he got the exact same tattoo when drunk.
LisaL
Saturday
#30
Hegseth is a Republican. Republicans do not have to defend their behavior.
JustABozoOnThisBus
Saturday
#31
I didn't advocate anything I just think he has a lot of red flags in my opinion
EX500rider
Saturday
#126
But the death head skull is NOT as universally known as a nazi hate symbol, like the swastika.
Americanme
Yesterday
#203
I'd be willing to bet a fairly large amount of money that the tattoo shop catalog where he bought it
Jack Valentino
Saturday
#165
Young people love lighting bolts and i never heard of them being nazi symbols before now
questionseverything
6 hrs ago
#228
Why is so little effort being spent promoting other D candidates in the upcoming primary?
RandomNumbers
Saturday
#7
yes, like an ankh, I have friend who has a devil tat on his shoulder, does that make him a devil worshiper?
Shellback Squid
19 hrs ago
#212
As an art student, I saw many designs through history that included the swastika.
calimary
Saturday
#118
I see no posts that say that. You have to give me verbatim quotes (in context) that you read that way.
pat_k
Saturday
#114
I have not seen Platner called a Nazi but I have no reason to doubt it. I haven't followed every thread.
sarisataka
Saturday
#156
I'm more curious as to how someone can defend an ongoing genocide, and endless wars instead of a tattoo; which
Uncle Joe
Saturday
#93
Any genocide, but particularly ones that our government, and our tax dollars are supporting. n/t
Uncle Joe
Saturday
#102
OK, but your OP mentioned it... so I wasn't sure what you were referring to
LymphocyteLover
Yesterday
#172
Nice. So if I have a T-shirt that has an arrow pointing upward, you will call me a Nazi?
Bluetus
Saturday
#138
I would like to see a Democrat defeat Collins but I do not believe that Platner is the right person
LetMyPeopleVote
Yesterday
#183
He had the tattoo covered many months ago. Collins is still voting to fund the GESTAPO
struggle4progress
Saturday
#142
Why is so much effort being spent trying to destroy a Democrat on this forum? n/t
luv2fly
Saturday
#144
Maybe its just an awkward tattoo just like Musk's hitler salute was a awkward gesture per the ADL?
Eko
Saturday
#158
Yeah, those six million Jews murdered under that symbol only chose to be offended
iemanja
23 hrs ago
#208
Chanting the magic slogan Medicare for All trumps The Curse of the Totenkopf.
betsuni
Yesterday
#173
I'm talking about Democrats who think moving to the center (hence, centrist) right is the
CivicGrief
Yesterday
#189
It's not the tattoo, it's the attack from centrists against progressive candidates.
Emile
Yesterday
#174
What exactly makes Platner "progressive"? He's against an assault weapons ban,
lapucelle
Yesterday
#184
Imagine someone taking off their shirt and pants at a wedding and dancing around.
lapucelle
6 hrs ago
#223
Weddings are joyful ceremonies. Whether or not a guest or relative taking off some clothes and doing a dance
lapucelle
6 hrs ago
#225
It's amazing how some people are comfortable commenting on others personal behavior at private
Nanjeanne
5 hrs ago
#237
Oh of course there are numerous DUers who don't care about winning elections.
BannonsLiver
7 hrs ago
#219
What rule are you positing is being violated by this thread? What makes you think it's being violated here?
tritsofme
7 hrs ago
#222
The OP provides a factual history lesson, I'm not sure how it could plausibly be considered "bashing"
tritsofme
6 hrs ago
#231
Remember when fundamentalist Xtians attacked Proctor and Gamble for its "Satanic" logo?
Ponietz
6 hrs ago
#230