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Violet_Crumble

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68. It's the trusty 'Quick! Look Over There, Not Here!' template...

Wed May 20, 2026, 06:53 PM

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Someone developed the template many years ago for those who seek to defend Israel's actions while at the same time saying mildly that they disagree with the current government. It's kind of the same as me saying 'I disagree with methed up mother who murdered their toddler' and then go on to spend paragraphs making excuses for it and trying to cast doubt on the prosecution case.

Anyway, seen that template in use many times, and sometimes much more skillfully than in this case. I used to engage with it for entertainment down in the I/P forum back when it was fun, but the genocide in Gaza (sorry, did I ScReAm! that!) and the destruction by Israel of any chance of a two-state solution, as well as the blatant murders of Palestinians in the West Bank has made it not entertaining any more.

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Israel to sue New York Times over article alleging widespread rape of prisoners [View all] David__77 May 14 OP

What reason would Nicholas Kristoff have to do so, to report that which (as claimed) is not true? hlthe2b May 14 #1

Ha, fuck off fascist Israeli government. Eko May 14 #2

But, Israel IS our only democratic ally in the region... displacedvermoter May 14 #3

Israel "democratic" still? Questionable, just as our now authoritarian nation... hlthe2b May 14 #10

I know displacedvermoter May 14 #12

With friends like that . . . 3_Limes May 14 #17

Well, well, well UpInArms May 14 #4

Just how does one prove they didn't rape somebody? MichMan May 14 #56

That will be up to them to do so UpInArms May 14 #57

Why not report on Hamas sexual brutality question everything Friday #59

Because no one expects civilized behavior from terrorists? FullySupportDems Wednesday #76

Why not report on both?? Both are evil and should be exposed!!! Pisces Wednesday #80

The Denialists Prairie Gates May 14 #5

How do you know? Has it happened to you? yardwork May 14 #6

Has what ever happened to me? Prairie Gates May 14 #7

When you say denialism happens every time. yardwork May 14 #9

So well said. Thank you, yardwork mcar May 14 #13

Not really. CivicGrief May 14 #14

Which has little or nothing to do with yardwork's comment I reposted mcar May 14 #15

It actually does, if you think about it. CivicGrief May 14 #18

Excuse me? mcar May 14 #24

Let's see. CivicGrief May 14 #32

Where did you get the idea you have any right to put words in my mouth? mcar May 14 #37

So you admit that the losers who elected Trump are pro-Palestinian. yardwork May 14 #38

Something something blah blah Genocide Joe. yardwork May 14 #16

Well, he kept providing weapons for genocide. CivicGrief May 14 #19

Excellent point. Providing military and diplomatic support. David__77 May 14 #23

Yes, Biden did that. yardwork May 14 #26

Are Marian Adelson, AIPAC, and Zionist mega-donors and controllers of MSM complicit to what Israel is doing now? PufPuf23 Wednesday #70

P.S. i canvassed and voted for Harris. CivicGrief May 14 #20

Then I'm not talking about you. yardwork May 14 #30

Reporting says he didn't actually push back on Netanyahu EdmondDantes_ May 14 #21

Pointing out that a significant number of Americans failed their civic duty is importsnt. yardwork May 14 #25

Nonsense. Not voting is an option EdmondDantes_ May 14 #51

That's objectively, factually false. yardwork May 14 #52

Agree - and Trump lied and told everyone he was the peace candidate womanofthehills Friday #60

Here you go. In answer to your question. AloeVera May 14 #41

Yes, I think you hit the main barrier to being informed.. Violet_Crumble Wednesday #66

Brainwashed. AloeVera Wednesday #74

You forgot to mention the Native Americans Jilly_in_VA May 14 #27

I used the term American Indians, which is preferred where I am. yardwork May 14 #29

I couldn't agree more. FullySupportDems Wednesday #77

Rape and sexual violence have been systematic since the start of the genocide. AloeVera May 14 #40

It's clear they're talking about the Israeli govt Violet_Crumble Wednesday #65

Following the trmp route...sue sue sue spanone May 14 #8

Discovery should be interesting. Ritabert May 14 #11

+1 krawhitham May 14 #22

My thoughts exactly sakabatou May 14 #44

Suing the NYT Jilly_in_VA May 14 #28

I don't know if this column is true or not, but the NYT doesn't have a great history. yardwork May 14 #31

Yes, discovery is a thing TexasBushwhacker May 14 #33

After reading the story FullySupportDems May 14 #34

Check out the private prisons in the American midwest. yardwork May 14 #39

Had to think about this. I would wonder that FullySupportDems May 14 #48

You haven't heard of a lot. yardwork May 14 #49

Did I say I had? FullySupportDems May 14 #54

Good Lord. yardwork May 14 #55

Yeah, this keeps getting turned into a comparison FullySupportDems May 14 #58

+A thousand times. AloeVera Tuesday #61

Thanks! FullySupportDems Tuesday #62

Your meaning was very clear. AloeVera Wednesday #79

I appreciate that FullySupportDems Wednesday #81

It's the trusty 'Quick! Look Over There, Not Here!' template... Violet_Crumble Wednesday #68

I know exactly what you mean FullySupportDems Wednesday #69

Good luck with that, Bibi Rob H. May 14 #35

Fuck that Likud guy, and the RW ultranationists that did that! electric_blue68 Wednesday #64

In what courts? leftstreet May 14 #36

Some seem to think that could never possibly happen and Kristof is a liar. AStern May 14 #42

I don't know. Could you list some quotes? yardwork May 14 #43

Why are you so defensive? AStern May 14 #46

You asked a question and I responded with a request for information. yardwork May 14 #50

Look forward to the discovery phase of this stupid suit.... RT Atlanta May 14 #45

sod off BiBi, along with your fascist thug war criminal crew Celerity May 14 #47

Here's the Formula: no_hypocrisy May 14 #53

You're probably right except for one detail Bettie Tuesday #63

Pretty sure none of us can discern the truth and reality here. ColoringFool Wednesday #67

Pretty sure that's true if one doesn't want to. nt AloeVera Wednesday #73

Oh, you're gonna sue the NYT? sakabatou Wednesday #71

Don't know if anyone asked.... Red Mountain Wednesday #72

Has the lawsuit been filed? Renew Deal Wednesday #75

Taking a page from Dump JBTaurus83 Wednesday #78