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109. MaddowBlog-On renewable energy, Interior's Burgum offers a case study in willful ignorance
Thu May 14, 2026, 03:10 PM
3 hrs ago

People keep trying to tell the Trump Cabinet secretary that battery power exists. He keeps saying foolish things about renewable energy anyway.

On renewable energy, Interior’s Burgum offers a case study in willful ignorance - MS NOW apple.news/ANlNBbErJRBa...

(@oc88.bsky.social) 2026-05-14T14:07:07.725Z

https://www.ms.now/rachel-maddow-show/maddowblog/bergum-trump-interior-renewable-energy

Unfortunately, he’s not the only Republican who’s expressed confusion about this. The New Republic reported:

The secretary of the interior should presumably know how solar power generation works. On Wednesday, Doug Burgum showed that he does not.

Burgum was testifying before the House Natural Resources Committee, and exposed himself under questioning from Democratic Representative Jared Huffman, who brought up energy projects in Nevada
.


The Cabinet secretary, toeing the GOP line, told Huffman that solar arrays “produce zero electricity” after sundown.

“Mr. Chairman, I request unanimous consent to enter in the record this amazing new technology that apparently the secretary is unaware of: It’s a battery,” the California Democrat replied. “China’s figured it out. That’s why they’re cleaning our clock on clean energy.”

BURGUM: When the sun goes down, solar produces zero electricity

HUFFMAN: I want to enter into the record this amazing new technology that apparently the secretary is unaware of -- it's a battery

Aaron Rupar (@atrupar.com) 2026-05-13T15:05:00.011Z


.....But as people keep trying to help Burgum understand, battery technology exists. As MS NOW host Catherine Rampell explained in a Washington Post column a couple of years ago:

Growth in clean-electricity generation is a longer-term trend driven largely by technological improvements that have improved solar’s and wind’s cost-competitiveness. But recent policy changes, such Biden’s 2022 Inflation Reduction Act, have also accelerated development. The same forces are boosting battery development, which is helping solve intermittency problems caused by relying on wind or solar when the weather doesn’t cooperate. The Energy Information Administration recently forecast that U.S. battery storage capacity will nearly double [in 2024] alone.


Since that column was first published, U.S. battery storage capacity had an even better year in 2025.

If Burgum made one foolish comment about this years ago, because he wasn’t up to speed on the relevant details, he could be forgiven for being confused. But the fact that he keeps making the same mistake, even after being presented with the facts, highlights the difference between ignorance and willful ignorance.

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OMFG Chicagogrl1 Yesterday #1
MTG got ridiculed for saying the same thing... regnaD kciN Yesterday #2
He's never seen the solar path lights they sell in the stores dalton99a Yesterday #3
I have four different sets of them in my garden and by my door. niyad Yesterday #11
Thanks for that. I don't have outside outlets and would like to have lights outside. Just hadn't thought it through Amaryllis 20 hrs ago #75
You are most welcome. There are so many kinds available. Have fun choosing! niyad 20 hrs ago #76
Costco has had some pretty ones in the past. AllyCat 18 hrs ago #86
Dollar store even has them NHvet 7 hrs ago #105
Burgum wanting a rational discussion on subject he doesn't understand. txwhitedove Yesterday #4
you can't understand something when your livelihood depends on ignorance DBoon Yesterday #23
... eppur_se_muova Yesterday #58
He understands it. He misinforms, gaslights, obfuscates, lies by design. LuvLoogie Yesterday #61
Sinclair Lewis understood Burgum's ilk charliea 23 hrs ago #66
He cannot possibly be this stupid mcar Yesterday #5
Of course he can! Why do you think the puppeteers chose him? niyad Yesterday #7
He, like the rest of the minions, sold his soul to TSF mcar Yesterday #9
You are assuming that they had souls to sell? niyad Yesterday #12
Good point mcar Yesterday #54
Disagree! Ray Bruns 9 hrs ago #95
He is not stupid. Disingenuous yes but stupid he is not. Botany 8 hrs ago #101
One of two things is true of Burgum meow2u3 Yesterday #6
He could be that dumb, and still helping to line the pockets of the niyad Yesterday #8
Extraction, vulture capitalism's engine burns fossil fuel Magoo48 Yesterday #42
He seriously just might be that dumb Seinan Sensei Yesterday #49
Both could be true... AZ8theist 14 hrs ago #92
Actually, the belief that batteries are sustainable is... NNadir Yesterday #10
What are suggesting instead? MadameButterfly Yesterday #15
I willingly take some flak for my position that there is... NNadir Yesterday #19
Nuclear has a role to play liberalgunwilltravel Yesterday #22
I am an expert on this topic, having studied it for decades. NNadir Yesterday #25
Nuclear is fine as part of the solution liberalgunwilltravel Yesterday #28
I am always asked this question, day after day, week after week, month after month, year after year. NNadir Yesterday #36
For the uninitiated (like me), DME stands for dimethyl ether. TheRickles Yesterday #52
I do not support DME from dangerous natural gas. As is the case with hydrogen itself, exergy is destroyed under... NNadir Yesterday #55
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Chornobyl converted me from being an uneducated antinuke to a well educated nuclear advocate. NNadir 12 hrs ago #93
If you remember the remark made by the nonscientist, Louis Strauss, the "bad guy" in the movie Oppenheimer... NNadir 11 hrs ago #94
The finest minds of the 21st century understand that nuclear energy is not the only form of sustainable energy. thought crime 18 hrs ago #84
We have a Nuke plant in Kansas and we've been RAPED by it on rates since 1985 Bengus81 9 hrs ago #98
Nevertheless the planet has been raped by fossil fuels. NNadir 8 hrs ago #99
How much do you pay for electricity? hunter 6 hrs ago #107
Maybe nuclear? Mossfern Yesterday #20
You need power liberalgunwilltravel Yesterday #30
Thanks Mossfern Yesterday #59
Hydrogen, whether generated by clean nuclear power or by so called "renewable energy" is a terrible idea as a... NNadir Yesterday #41
Thank you Mossfern Yesterday #60
Well the good thing about admitting one knows little - the excellent thing in fact - is that one's mind is open. NNadir Yesterday #63
This message was self-deleted by its author MadameButterfly Yesterday #16
I'm Sorry but what you say is not the whole story. liberalgunwilltravel Yesterday #21
At Field Station Berlin we used lead-acid batteries in our powerhouse jmowreader Yesterday #48
Hmm... the smell: would exposure be detrimental w all that lead or a short time there would prevent that electric_blue68 Yesterday #56
Once the lead is cast into plates and fixed into a cell it's no problem, so long as it stays there jmowreader 18 hrs ago #87
chemical batteries are only one type of battery lapfog_1 Yesterday #32
LFP batteries don't have cobalt (or even nickel) however. Disaffected Yesterday #38
It's always something tomorrow. hunter Yesterday #53
Fusion energy and the hydrogen economy are very iffy alright but, Disaffected 22 hrs ago #73
Magic in the sense that they would allow us to quit both fossil fuels and nuclear power. hunter 18 hrs ago #89
I don't think anyone is seriously claiming batteries will reach utopia, Disaffected 16 hrs ago #91
Sorry to disappoint, but "renewables" are less than 10% of China's primary energy... hunter 6 hrs ago #106
"renewables" are less than 10% of China's primary energy..." Disaffected 6 hrs ago #108
The Trump administration is trying to boost nuclear energy thought crime 18 hrs ago #88
I have spent decades in the primary scientific literature and as a result, I have very little patience for handwaving. NNadir Yesterday #62
Good grief, I'll not waste time trying to respond to all your "points". Disaffected 22 hrs ago #68
I think we have talked about this before. I am hearing that there are companies that PatrickforB Yesterday #46
In applications that are not sensitive to energy density, USAF Brat Yesterday #57
Rs also like to say when there's no wind blowing KS Toronado Yesterday #13
🤣🤣🤣 ultralite001 Yesterday #14
I had an experience several months ago with a MAGA about wind energy storage. wnylib 22 hrs ago #70
He know that.. he's Trumps jester. BradBo Yesterday #17
Literally... BurnDoubt Yesterday #18
This old girl would just say, it seems it can get complicated. Joinfortmill Yesterday #24
Batteries are a regressive tax on low income people... hunter Yesterday #26
LOL popsdenver Yesterday #44
Hoover dam has never produced as much electricity in a single year... hunter 23 hrs ago #67
I guess popsdenver 22 hrs ago #69
The argument against renewable energy is an alternative form of climate change denial. thought crime Yesterday #47
"the sole purpose of which is to assuage the guilt that affluent people feel for their environmentally destructive lifes DBoon 18 hrs ago #85
Doh! Dave Bowman Yesterday #27
Well, batteries Manatee Yesterday #29
Ouch! Chasstev365 Yesterday #31
My outdoor solar lights stay on all night. Are they possessed? twodogsbarking Yesterday #33
The lengths these... relogic Yesterday #34
Yes, and when the sun goes down there is no photosynthesis and the plants all die. dedl67 Yesterday #35
+1 dalton99a Yesterday #40
BURGUM... littlemissmartypants Yesterday #37
An overly simple idea Crawford Yesterday #39
Enough with these "The gentleman..." swong19104 Yesterday #43
"Are you a fucking idiot?" I love that. Buddyzbuddy Yesterday #50
The same basic argument is made for wind jmowreader Yesterday #45
I covered the absurdity of this argument previously, discussing the amount of cobalt required to cover a month of... NNadir Yesterday #51
The Tesla 3 battery, the one "currently" manufactured Disaffected 19 hrs ago #83
We're saved then!!!!! A lot has been written about these batteries it turns out, and a full commentary... NNadir 9 hrs ago #97
Don't bother, Disaffected 7 hrs ago #102
Well, I'll comment despite your disinterest on the science... NNadir 7 hrs ago #104
Good one. Please explain this very novel and new concept to me. Thanks. efhmc Yesterday #64
He is his boss's servant D_Master81 23 hrs ago #65
Although Solar Syastems produce NO POWER at night... WarGamer 22 hrs ago #71
That moment of "sunlight" exposed Burgum to be oasis 22 hrs ago #72
According to Bergum, solar is "intermittent" and not secure Renew Deal 21 hrs ago #74
They are going to complain that some other power source is interruptable during RockRaven 20 hrs ago #77
Genius that one is BillJoeBobBeauregard 20 hrs ago #78
just have to put in this reply and a response to the reply: orleans 20 hrs ago #80
Is there a Nobel Prize for stupidity? Permanut 20 hrs ago #81
Yes. It's called the FIFA Peace Prize. Ray Bruns 9 hrs ago #96
For the next news flash - wind turbines stop generating when there is no wind! Aussie105 20 hrs ago #82
Australia can become a global energy powerhouse thought crime 8 hrs ago #100
You could put solar panels near hydro dams and applegrove 17 hrs ago #90
That has been done ("stored hydro") but Disaffected 32 min ago #111
I'm guessing Burgum self-identifies as an energy expert Torchlight 7 hrs ago #103
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