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NNadir

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93. Chornobyl converted me from being an uneducated antinuke to a well educated nuclear advocate.
Thu May 14, 2026, 06:30 AM
5 hrs ago

It established, for all time, the worst case for a failure of a nuclear power plant.

Everyday, about 19,000 people die from fossil fuel waste, aka air pollution, around the world according to a paper I frequently post here from one of the world's most prominent medical journals, Lancet. That works out 7 million per year

Chornobyl took place almost exactly 40 years ago. This means that around 280 million people died from air pollution since the reactor, with its poor design and positive void coefficient failed. The population of the United States is 340 million. That means if you're in a room of 10 people, it is the equivalent of having 7 of them so die. This ignores deaths from extreme weather driven by the continuing destruction of the planetary atmosphere.

The city of Kiev is less than 100 km from Chornobyl. During and after it's dangerous and deadly nuclear phase out, Germany purchased huge amounts of coal, oil and especially gas from Putin. The revenue from these sales went into building fossil fuel powered weapons of mass destruction now raining down on Kiev. Before Putin's attack Kiev remained a thriving city.

Which killed more people in Kiev, radiation from Chornobyl - the area now existing as something of a nature preserve, teeming with animals rare elsewhere in Europe - or German funded weapons of mass destruction launched by Putin, who by the way, has a former Chancellor Germany, Gerard Schroeder as a paid employee?

No one will ever again build a reactor with a design like the RBMK, one with a positive void coefficient, that failed at Chornobyl, but people do build coal plants that kill people whenever they operate normally.

Nuclear energy, the most reliable and cleanest form of energy on the planet, need not be risk free to be vastly superior to everything else. It only needs to be vastly superior to everything else, which it is.

Have a nice day.

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OMFG Chicagogrl1 21 hrs ago #1
MTG got ridiculed for saying the same thing... regnaD kciN 21 hrs ago #2
He's never seen the solar path lights they sell in the stores dalton99a 21 hrs ago #3
I have four different sets of them in my garden and by my door. niyad 20 hrs ago #11
Thanks for that. I don't have outside outlets and would like to have lights outside. Just hadn't thought it through Amaryllis 14 hrs ago #75
You are most welcome. There are so many kinds available. Have fun choosing! niyad 14 hrs ago #76
Costco has had some pretty ones in the past. AllyCat 12 hrs ago #86
Dollar store even has them NHvet 47 min ago #105
Burgum wanting a rational discussion on subject he doesn't understand. txwhitedove 21 hrs ago #4
you can't understand something when your livelihood depends on ignorance DBoon 20 hrs ago #23
... eppur_se_muova 18 hrs ago #58
He understands it. He misinforms, gaslights, obfuscates, lies by design. LuvLoogie 17 hrs ago #61
Sinclair Lewis understood Burgum's ilk charliea 16 hrs ago #66
He cannot possibly be this stupid mcar 21 hrs ago #5
Of course he can! Why do you think the puppeteers chose him? niyad 20 hrs ago #7
He, like the rest of the minions, sold his soul to TSF mcar 20 hrs ago #9
You are assuming that they had souls to sell? niyad 20 hrs ago #12
Good point mcar 18 hrs ago #54
Disagree! Ray Bruns 3 hrs ago #95
He is not stupid. Disingenuous yes but stupid he is not. Botany 1 hr ago #101
One of two things is true of Burgum meow2u3 21 hrs ago #6
He could be that dumb, and still helping to line the pockets of the niyad 20 hrs ago #8
Extraction, vulture capitalism's engine burns fossil fuel Magoo48 19 hrs ago #42
He seriously just might be that dumb Seinan Sensei 18 hrs ago #49
Both could be true... AZ8theist 8 hrs ago #92
Actually, the belief that batteries are sustainable is... NNadir 20 hrs ago #10
What are suggesting instead? MadameButterfly 20 hrs ago #15
I willingly take some flak for my position that there is... NNadir 20 hrs ago #19
Nuclear has a role to play liberalgunwilltravel 20 hrs ago #22
I am an expert on this topic, having studied it for decades. NNadir 20 hrs ago #25
Nuclear is fine as part of the solution liberalgunwilltravel 20 hrs ago #28
I am always asked this question, day after day, week after week, month after month, year after year. NNadir 19 hrs ago #36
For the uninitiated (like me), DME stands for dimethyl ether. TheRickles 18 hrs ago #52
I do not support DME from dangerous natural gas. As is the case with hydrogen itself, exergy is destroyed under... NNadir 18 hrs ago #55
I heard that we can't produce the steel needed for SMRs anymore. SonOfNebanaube 14 hrs ago #79
Chornobyl converted me from being an uneducated antinuke to a well educated nuclear advocate. NNadir 5 hrs ago #93
If you remember the remark made by the nonscientist, Louis Strauss, the "bad guy" in the movie Oppenheimer... NNadir 5 hrs ago #94
The finest minds of the 21st century understand that nuclear energy is not the only form of sustainable energy. thought crime 12 hrs ago #84
We have a Nuke plant in Kansas and we've been RAPED by it on rates since 1985 Bengus81 3 hrs ago #98
Nevertheless the planet has been raped by fossil fuels. NNadir 2 hrs ago #99
How much do you pay for electricity? hunter 15 min ago #107
Maybe nuclear? Mossfern 20 hrs ago #20
You need power liberalgunwilltravel 19 hrs ago #30
Thanks Mossfern 18 hrs ago #59
Hydrogen, whether generated by clean nuclear power or by so called "renewable energy" is a terrible idea as a... NNadir 19 hrs ago #41
Thank you Mossfern 18 hrs ago #60
Well the good thing about admitting one knows little - the excellent thing in fact - is that one's mind is open. NNadir 17 hrs ago #63
This message was self-deleted by its author MadameButterfly 20 hrs ago #16
I'm Sorry but what you say is not the whole story. liberalgunwilltravel 20 hrs ago #21
At Field Station Berlin we used lead-acid batteries in our powerhouse jmowreader 18 hrs ago #48
Hmm... the smell: would exposure be detrimental w all that lead or a short time there would prevent that electric_blue68 18 hrs ago #56
Once the lead is cast into plates and fixed into a cell it's no problem, so long as it stays there jmowreader 12 hrs ago #87
chemical batteries are only one type of battery lapfog_1 19 hrs ago #32
LFP batteries don't have cobalt (or even nickel) however. Disaffected 19 hrs ago #38
It's always something tomorrow. hunter 18 hrs ago #53
Fusion energy and the hydrogen economy are very iffy alright but, Disaffected 15 hrs ago #73
Magic in the sense that they would allow us to quit both fossil fuels and nuclear power. hunter 12 hrs ago #89
I don't think anyone is seriously claiming batteries will reach utopia, Disaffected 10 hrs ago #91
Sorry to disappoint, but "renewables" are less than 10% of China's primary energy... hunter 27 min ago #106
The Trump administration is trying to boost nuclear energy thought crime 12 hrs ago #88
I have spent decades in the primary scientific literature and as a result, I have very little patience for handwaving. NNadir 17 hrs ago #62
Good grief, I'll not waste time trying to respond to all your "points". Disaffected 16 hrs ago #68
I think we have talked about this before. I am hearing that there are companies that PatrickforB 18 hrs ago #46
In applications that are not sensitive to energy density, USAF Brat 18 hrs ago #57
Rs also like to say when there's no wind blowing KS Toronado 20 hrs ago #13
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I had an experience several months ago with a MAGA about wind energy storage. wnylib 16 hrs ago #70
He know that.. he's Trumps jester. BradBo 20 hrs ago #17
Literally... BurnDoubt 20 hrs ago #18
This old girl would just say, it seems it can get complicated. Joinfortmill 20 hrs ago #24
Batteries are a regressive tax on low income people... hunter 20 hrs ago #26
LOL popsdenver 19 hrs ago #44
Hoover dam has never produced as much electricity in a single year... hunter 16 hrs ago #67
I guess popsdenver 16 hrs ago #69
The argument against renewable energy is an alternative form of climate change denial. thought crime 18 hrs ago #47
"the sole purpose of which is to assuage the guilt that affluent people feel for their environmentally destructive lifes DBoon 12 hrs ago #85
Doh! Dave Bowman 20 hrs ago #27
Well, batteries Manatee 20 hrs ago #29
Ouch! Chasstev365 19 hrs ago #31
My outdoor solar lights stay on all night. Are they possessed? twodogsbarking 19 hrs ago #33
The lengths these... relogic 19 hrs ago #34
Yes, and when the sun goes down there is no photosynthesis and the plants all die. dedl67 19 hrs ago #35
+1 dalton99a 19 hrs ago #40
BURGUM... littlemissmartypants 19 hrs ago #37
An overly simple idea Crawford 19 hrs ago #39
Enough with these "The gentleman..." swong19104 19 hrs ago #43
"Are you a fucking idiot?I love that. Buddyzbuddy 18 hrs ago #50
The same basic argument is made for wind jmowreader 18 hrs ago #45
I covered the absurdity of this argument previously, discussing the amount of cobalt required to cover a month of... NNadir 18 hrs ago #51
The Tesla 3 battery, the one "currently" manufactured Disaffected 13 hrs ago #83
We're saved then!!!!! A lot has been written about these batteries it turns out, and a full commentary... NNadir 3 hrs ago #97
Don't bother, Disaffected 1 hr ago #102
Well, I'll comment despite your disinterest on the science... NNadir 47 min ago #104
Good one. Please explain this very novel and new concept to me. Thanks. efhmc 17 hrs ago #64
He is his boss's servant D_Master81 17 hrs ago #65
Although Solar Syastems produce NO POWER at night... WarGamer 16 hrs ago #71
That moment of "sunlight" exposed Burgum to be oasis 15 hrs ago #72
According to Bergum, solar is "intermittent" and not secure Renew Deal 15 hrs ago #74
They are going to complain that some other power source is interruptable during RockRaven 14 hrs ago #77
Genius that one is BillJoeBobBeauregard 14 hrs ago #78
just have to put in this reply and a response to the reply: orleans 14 hrs ago #80
Is there a Nobel Prize for stupidity? Permanut 13 hrs ago #81
Yes. It's called the FIFA Peace Prize. Ray Bruns 3 hrs ago #96
For the next news flash - wind turbines stop generating when there is no wind! Aussie105 13 hrs ago #82
Australia can become a global energy powerhouse thought crime 2 hrs ago #100
You could put solar panels near hydro dams and applegrove 10 hrs ago #90
I'm guessing Burgum self-identifies as an energy expert Torchlight 58 min ago #103
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