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47. The argument against renewable energy is an alternative form of climate change denial.

Wed May 13, 2026, 05:17 PM

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Believing that only nuclear will magically eliminate our dependence on fossil fuels is just an alternative form of climate change denial.

We should push for all forms of safe clean energy.

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BURGUM: When the sun goes down, solar produces zero electricity HUFFMAN: I want to enter into the record this amazing [View all] demmiblue 18 hrs ago OP

OMFG Chicagogrl1 18 hrs ago #1

MTG got ridiculed for saying the same thing... regnaD kciN 18 hrs ago #2

He's never seen the solar path lights they sell in the stores dalton99a 18 hrs ago #3

I have four different sets of them in my garden and by my door. niyad 17 hrs ago #11

Thanks for that. I don't have outside outlets and would like to have lights outside. Just hadn't thought it through Amaryllis 11 hrs ago #75

You are most welcome. There are so many kinds available. Have fun choosing! niyad 11 hrs ago #76

Costco has had some pretty ones in the past. AllyCat 9 hrs ago #86

Burgum wanting a rational discussion on subject he doesn't understand. txwhitedove 18 hrs ago #4

you can't understand something when your livelihood depends on ignorance DBoon 17 hrs ago #23

... eppur_se_muova 15 hrs ago #58

He understands it. He misinforms, gaslights, obfuscates, lies by design. LuvLoogie 14 hrs ago #61

Sinclair Lewis understood Burgum's ilk charliea 13 hrs ago #66

He cannot possibly be this stupid mcar 18 hrs ago #5

Of course he can! Why do you think the puppeteers chose him? niyad 17 hrs ago #7

He, like the rest of the minions, sold his soul to TSF mcar 17 hrs ago #9

You are assuming that they had souls to sell? niyad 17 hrs ago #12

Good point mcar 15 hrs ago #54

Disagree! Ray Bruns 25 min ago #95

One of two things is true of Burgum meow2u3 17 hrs ago #6

He could be that dumb, and still helping to line the pockets of the niyad 17 hrs ago #8

Extraction, vulture capitalism's engine burns fossil fuel Magoo48 15 hrs ago #42

He seriously just might be that dumb Seinan Sensei 15 hrs ago #49

Both could be true... AZ8theist 5 hrs ago #92

Actually, the belief that batteries are sustainable is... NNadir 17 hrs ago #10

What are suggesting instead? MadameButterfly 17 hrs ago #15

I willingly take some flak for my position that there is... NNadir 17 hrs ago #19

Nuclear has a role to play liberalgunwilltravel 17 hrs ago #22

I am an expert on this topic, having studied it for decades. NNadir 17 hrs ago #25

Nuclear is fine as part of the solution liberalgunwilltravel 16 hrs ago #28

I am always asked this question, day after day, week after week, month after month, year after year. NNadir 16 hrs ago #36

For the uninitiated (like me), DME stands for dimethyl ether. TheRickles 15 hrs ago #52

I do not support DME from dangerous natural gas. As is the case with hydrogen itself, exergy is destroyed under... NNadir 15 hrs ago #55

I heard that we can't produce the steel needed for SMRs anymore. SonOfNebanaube 11 hrs ago #79

Chornobyl converted me from being an uneducated antinuke to a well educated nuclear advocate. NNadir 2 hrs ago #93

If you remember the remark made by the nonscientist, Louis Strauss, the "bad guy" in the movie Oppenheimer... NNadir 2 hrs ago #94

The finest minds of the 21st century understand that nuclear energy is not the only form of sustainable energy. thought crime 9 hrs ago #84

Maybe nuclear? Mossfern 17 hrs ago #20

You need power liberalgunwilltravel 16 hrs ago #30

Thanks Mossfern 14 hrs ago #59

Hydrogen, whether generated by clean nuclear power or by so called "renewable energy" is a terrible idea as a... NNadir 15 hrs ago #41

Thank you Mossfern 14 hrs ago #60

Well the good thing about admitting one knows little - the excellent thing in fact - is that one's mind is open. NNadir 14 hrs ago #63

This message was self-deleted by its author MadameButterfly 17 hrs ago #16

I'm Sorry but what you say is not the whole story. liberalgunwilltravel 17 hrs ago #21

At Field Station Berlin we used lead-acid batteries in our powerhouse jmowreader 15 hrs ago #48

Hmm... the smell: would exposure be detrimental w all that lead or a short time there would prevent that electric_blue68 15 hrs ago #56

Once the lead is cast into plates and fixed into a cell it's no problem, so long as it stays there jmowreader 9 hrs ago #87

chemical batteries are only one type of battery lapfog_1 16 hrs ago #32

LFP batteries don't have cobalt (or even nickel) however. Disaffected 16 hrs ago #38

It's always something tomorrow. hunter 15 hrs ago #53

Fusion energy and the hydrogen economy are very iffy alright but, Disaffected 12 hrs ago #73

Magic in the sense that they would allow us to quit both fossil fuels and nuclear power. hunter 8 hrs ago #89

I don't think anyone is seriously claiming batteries will reach utopia, Disaffected 7 hrs ago #91

The Trump administration is trying to boost nuclear energy thought crime 9 hrs ago #88

I have spent decades in the primary scientific literature and as a result, I have very little patience for handwaving. NNadir 14 hrs ago #62

Good grief, I'll not waste time trying to respond to all your "points". Disaffected 13 hrs ago #68

I think we have talked about this before. I am hearing that there are companies that PatrickforB 15 hrs ago #46

In applications that are not sensitive to energy density, USAF Brat 15 hrs ago #57

Rs also like to say when there's no wind blowing KS Toronado 17 hrs ago #13

🤣🤣🤣 ultralite001 17 hrs ago #14

I had an experience several months ago with a MAGA about wind energy storage. wnylib 13 hrs ago #70

He know that.. he's Trumps jester. BradBo 17 hrs ago #17

Literally... BurnDoubt 17 hrs ago #18

This old girl would just say, it seems it can get complicated. Joinfortmill 17 hrs ago #24

Batteries are a regressive tax on low income people... hunter 17 hrs ago #26

LOL popsdenver 15 hrs ago #44

Hoover dam has never produced as much electricity in a single year... hunter 13 hrs ago #67

I guess popsdenver 13 hrs ago #69

The argument against renewable energy is an alternative form of climate change denial. thought crime 15 hrs ago #47

"the sole purpose of which is to assuage the guilt that affluent people feel for their environmentally destructive lifes DBoon 9 hrs ago #85

Doh! Dave Bowman 16 hrs ago #27

Well, batteries Manatee 16 hrs ago #29

Ouch! Chasstev365 16 hrs ago #31

My outdoor solar lights stay on all night. Are they possessed? twodogsbarking 16 hrs ago #33

The lengths these... relogic 16 hrs ago #34

Yes, and when the sun goes down there is no photosynthesis and the plants all die. dedl67 16 hrs ago #35

+1 dalton99a 16 hrs ago #40

BURGUM... littlemissmartypants 16 hrs ago #37

An overly simple idea Crawford 16 hrs ago #39

Enough with these "The gentleman..." swong19104 15 hrs ago #43

"Are you a fucking idiot?I love that. Buddyzbuddy 15 hrs ago #50

The same basic argument is made for wind jmowreader 15 hrs ago #45

I covered the absurdity of this argument previously, discussing the amount of cobalt required to cover a month of... NNadir 15 hrs ago #51

The Tesla 3 battery, the one "currently" manufactured Disaffected 10 hrs ago #83

We're saved then!!!!! A lot has been written about these batteries it turns out, and a full commentary... NNadir 13 min ago #97

Good one. Please explain this very novel and new concept to me. Thanks. efhmc 14 hrs ago #64

He is his boss's servant D_Master81 14 hrs ago #65

Although Solar Syastems produce NO POWER at night... WarGamer 12 hrs ago #71

That moment of "sunlight" exposed Burgum to be oasis 12 hrs ago #72

According to Bergum, solar is "intermittent" and not secure Renew Deal 11 hrs ago #74

They are going to complain that some other power source is interruptable during RockRaven 11 hrs ago #77

Genius that one is BillJoeBobBeauregard 11 hrs ago #78

just have to put in this reply and a response to the reply: orleans 10 hrs ago #80

Is there a Nobel Prize for stupidity? Permanut 10 hrs ago #81

Yes. It's called the FIFA Peace Prize. Ray Bruns 24 min ago #96

For the next news flash - wind turbines stop generating when there is no wind! Aussie105 10 hrs ago #82

You could put solar panels near hydro dams and applegrove 7 hrs ago #90