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Disaffected

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38. LFP batteries don't have cobalt (or even nickel) however.

Wed May 13, 2026, 04:57 PM

14 hrs ago

Storing energy has always "wasted" energy - not sure what the point is here.

Sodium ion batteries (which will soon likely be the battery of choice for stationary apps) don't even require lithium (and some variations don't even use nickel)- not sure why the blanket statement that neither solar or batteries are sustainable.

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OMFG Chicagogrl1 16 hrs ago #1

MTG got ridiculed for saying the same thing... regnaD kciN 16 hrs ago #2

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I have four different sets of them in my garden and by my door. niyad 16 hrs ago #11

Thanks for that. I don't have outside outlets and would like to have lights outside. Just hadn't thought it through Amaryllis 9 hrs ago #75

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He, like the rest of the minions, sold his soul to TSF mcar 16 hrs ago #9

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He could be that dumb, and still helping to line the pockets of the niyad 16 hrs ago #8

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What are suggesting instead? MadameButterfly 15 hrs ago #15

I willingly take some flak for my position that there is... NNadir 15 hrs ago #19

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I am an expert on this topic, having studied it for decades. NNadir 15 hrs ago #25

Nuclear is fine as part of the solution liberalgunwilltravel 15 hrs ago #28

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Hydrogen, whether generated by clean nuclear power or by so called "renewable energy" is a terrible idea as a... NNadir 14 hrs ago #41

Thank you Mossfern 13 hrs ago #60

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I'm Sorry but what you say is not the whole story. liberalgunwilltravel 15 hrs ago #21

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Once the lead is cast into plates and fixed into a cell it's no problem, so long as it stays there jmowreader 7 hrs ago #87

chemical batteries are only one type of battery lapfog_1 15 hrs ago #32

LFP batteries don't have cobalt (or even nickel) however. Disaffected 14 hrs ago #38

It's always something tomorrow. hunter 13 hrs ago #53

Fusion energy and the hydrogen economy are very iffy alright but, Disaffected 11 hrs ago #73

Magic in the sense that they would allow us to quit both fossil fuels and nuclear power. hunter 7 hrs ago #89

I don't think anyone is seriously claiming batteries will reach utopia, Disaffected 5 hrs ago #91

The Trump administration is trying to boost nuclear energy thought crime 7 hrs ago #88

I have spent decades in the primary scientific literature and as a result, I have very little patience for handwaving. NNadir 13 hrs ago #62

Good grief, I'll not waste time trying to respond to all your "points". Disaffected 11 hrs ago #68

I think we have talked about this before. I am hearing that there are companies that PatrickforB 14 hrs ago #46

In applications that are not sensitive to energy density, USAF Brat 13 hrs ago #57

Rs also like to say when there's no wind blowing KS Toronado 16 hrs ago #13

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I had an experience several months ago with a MAGA about wind energy storage. wnylib 11 hrs ago #70

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Hoover dam has never produced as much electricity in a single year... hunter 12 hrs ago #67

I guess popsdenver 11 hrs ago #69

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My outdoor solar lights stay on all night. Are they possessed? twodogsbarking 15 hrs ago #33

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I covered the absurdity of this argument previously, discussing the amount of cobalt required to cover a month of... NNadir 13 hrs ago #51

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