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In reply to the discussion: Trump wanted the nuclear codes now debunked [View all]RandySF
(85,276 posts)37. From an expert at MIT (2017)
What would happen if someone tries to enter the chain of command, for example by countermanding or refusing to obey a presidential order?
Anyone who attempts to contravene a valid, authentic and legal (in the sense of whether the strike package was legal, and all off-the-shelf nuclear strike packages are pre-vetted for legality to some degree) order would be doing so illegally and risk the charge of mutiny. Now, if POTUS ordered a nuclear first strike out of the blue against China or Russia, there would be questions about legality. But if, for example, he ordered a limited nuclear strike against targets in Iran, such as the hardened and buried Fordow enrichment facility, or a complex in North Korea, it would be very difficult to argue that the president did not have the legal right to do that out of the blue if he or she deemed it in Americas national interest.
So how does the president order the launch of nuclear weapons? The procedure, as far as we publicly know, is as follows: If POTUS decided to launch some or all of Americas nuclear weapons, s/he would simply take out the biscuit or authenticator which s/he carries on his/her person at all times, summon the military aide that accompanies POTUS at all times, who connects POTUS directly to the duty officer at the National Military Command Center. Based on an alphanumeric code on the biscuit, POTUS authenticates himself or herself to the duty officer and orders the desired nuclear launch package.
At this point, if the order is deemed to be authentic (did POTUS respond with the correct authenticator) and valid (is the strike package valid?), it is considered a legal order from the commander in chief. The duty officer then transmits the order and strike package directly to Americas nuclear missiles and submarines and bombers to carry out the order and the desired strike package. At no point is anyone else legally, or even practically, in the chain of command for nuclear launch. Anyone the duty officer or a missileer who contravenes or fails to carry out this order would be doing so illegally.
.https://goodauthority.org/news/there-was-no-legal-way-to-stop-trump-from-ordering-a-nuclear-strike-if-he-wanted-to-expert-says/
Anyone who attempts to contravene a valid, authentic and legal (in the sense of whether the strike package was legal, and all off-the-shelf nuclear strike packages are pre-vetted for legality to some degree) order would be doing so illegally and risk the charge of mutiny. Now, if POTUS ordered a nuclear first strike out of the blue against China or Russia, there would be questions about legality. But if, for example, he ordered a limited nuclear strike against targets in Iran, such as the hardened and buried Fordow enrichment facility, or a complex in North Korea, it would be very difficult to argue that the president did not have the legal right to do that out of the blue if he or she deemed it in Americas national interest.
So how does the president order the launch of nuclear weapons? The procedure, as far as we publicly know, is as follows: If POTUS decided to launch some or all of Americas nuclear weapons, s/he would simply take out the biscuit or authenticator which s/he carries on his/her person at all times, summon the military aide that accompanies POTUS at all times, who connects POTUS directly to the duty officer at the National Military Command Center. Based on an alphanumeric code on the biscuit, POTUS authenticates himself or herself to the duty officer and orders the desired nuclear launch package.
At this point, if the order is deemed to be authentic (did POTUS respond with the correct authenticator) and valid (is the strike package valid?), it is considered a legal order from the commander in chief. The duty officer then transmits the order and strike package directly to Americas nuclear missiles and submarines and bombers to carry out the order and the desired strike package. At no point is anyone else legally, or even practically, in the chain of command for nuclear launch. Anyone the duty officer or a missileer who contravenes or fails to carry out this order would be doing so illegally.
.https://goodauthority.org/news/there-was-no-legal-way-to-stop-trump-from-ordering-a-nuclear-strike-if-he-wanted-to-expert-says/
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It sounds as though there occurred a righteous mini-coup. The officers and agents with the sidearms told him, "No."
John1956PA
Monday
#2
It's not true. Trump is the commander in chief and could fire anyone that got in his way.
pcdb
Monday
#52
Everybody, from 4 star general to 1st Lt on an ICBM crew have the moral
displacedvermoter
Monday
#13
Fact Check: Caine Did Not Storm Out of Emergency Meeting After Trump Suggested Threatening Iran With Nuclear Weapons
chowder66
Monday
#21
That was one terrible web site, spreading misinformation about the Obama Administration. They considered my
surfered
Tuesday
#83
Technically yes. There's a little bit of "backroom" gray area when dealing with an unhinged president it seems though
Smokster
Monday
#54
Remember when Trump suggested using nukes on hurricanes? He's way more insane now than then.
Doodley
Monday
#43
I believe he wanted to, and thank goodness the military leaders are still sane enough to stop him
FakeNoose
Monday
#48
Nuclear experts on this thread trying to convince everyone Piggy can do anything he wants any time he wants...
MorbidButterflyTat
Monday
#60
Aren't a lot of the REC'S for the fact that someone is posting that it WAS debunked?
Ol Janx Spirit
Tuesday
#86