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Emrys

(9,188 posts)
37. Writing off Trump is one thing.
Sat Apr 18, 2026, 06:11 PM
Apr 18

Hopefully this will once and for all put the kibosh on the idea that Ukraine has to gift Putin with territory he's failed to "win" through war. The only enthusiastic proponents of that scheme were Trump and his cronies and a few half-assed nominal Ukraine supporters or blatant fellow travellers of Russia. Putin would no doubt have been glad of the gift, but there's no reason to imagine it would have led to a sustained end to hostilities, quite the reverse.

But as for writing off the United States, I think that's throwing out the baby with the bathwater. Despite the spiteful rhetoric and actions from Trump, and especially Vance, along with others among Trump's cabal, we know that American public opinion has consistently favoured supporting Ukraine by substantial margins. The next Congress is likely to be far less slavishly loyal to Trump, and ways could be found to offer concrete support and fewer favours to Putin, and maybe start undoing some of the harm Trump's tried to do in the last couple of years.

Meanwhile, it will be no bad thing if the rest of NATO and Ukraine's allies work to be far less dependent on the US's agenda and firepower.

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Ukraine Has Written Off the United States [View all] littlemissmartypants Apr 18 OP
Kick dalton99a Apr 18 #1
It will take generations for us to wash off the shame of this administration. Scrivener7 Apr 18 #2
We'll be like the Germans after World War II was over FakeNoose Apr 18 #24
I will thankfully be dead! BidenRocks Apr 18 #32
Why cant the EVIL ONE be dead. I pray his days will be numbered. Trueblue1968 Apr 18 #36
when I travel out of the US I have t-shirts and jacket with a big red maple leaves on them. Sad thing for a vet ... marble falls Apr 18 #34
One difference will be that the world saw Germany as worth restoring after the war, Scrivener7 Apr 18 #40
Big difference: Hitler aspired to be the greatest superpower and missed Norbert Sunday #46
In Germany's case, that was in large part Wednesdays Sunday #47
No. The stupid, uneducated "base" will vote another repuke as bad if not worse. Justice matters. Sunday #43
No. Trust will not come back. Ever. Justice matters. Sunday #42
It's sad but what other choice does he have newdeal2 Apr 18 #3
Panicked Russia floating that they may attack European drone plants Prairie Gates Apr 18 #4
There's no money to be made in Ukraine...that's all trmp's interested in. spanone Apr 18 #5
Exactly vapor2 Apr 18 #28
Now that Orban is gone, Ukraine doesn't have to pretend anymore Fiendish Thingy Apr 18 #6
And Trump just extended the extended the sactions relief on Russian oil True Dough Apr 18 #7
I love that term "Putins Puppet". multigraincracker Apr 18 #12
That disgusting orange psychopath will alienate every good ally we've ever had. Diamond_Dog Apr 18 #8
Can't blame them. They're trying to survive, trump just wants to grift... Wounded Bear Apr 18 #9
As 99 percent of the free world has done. nt yaesu Apr 18 #10
Slava Ukraini. The orange creature currently soiling OUR HOUSE is an niyad Apr 18 #11
But don't the European nations still have sanctions on Russia? They can still hunt down Russian tankers. ChicagoTeamster Apr 18 #13
If oil becomes a real "problem" (not far from now atm) Justice matters. Sunday #44
Proving once again that for economic national security, the oil industry needs to be nationalized ChicagoTeamster Sunday #45
TSF is the WORST thing that ever happened to Ukraine! bluestarone Apr 18 #14
In my opinion, they all should write off the US KentuckyWoman Apr 18 #15
Uh...no. Too many good people still here. Why should we suffer more than we already are. electric_blue68 Apr 18 #26
Trump is Putin's puppy... Joinfortmill Apr 18 #16
The Atlantic got one thing wrong, the sanction waiver was extended krawhitham Apr 18 #17
Ukraine isn't alone in giving up on the US, most countries are in their company. Bev54 Apr 18 #18
sadly predictable themaguffin Apr 18 #19
Shining beacon of liberty my foot. What a joke our country has become. ck4829 Apr 18 #20
Good, Europe needs to be stronger militarily and economically and balance out the power in the world JI7 Apr 18 #21
It's not just that TSF is pro-Putin, TSF's "perfect phone call" that got him impeached was with Zelensky. Never let a Exp Apr 18 #22
We can do our bit by making contributions to White Stork. If anyone has reservations, I'm including a link with info: NBachers Apr 18 #23
Well, this sucks. orangecrush Apr 18 #25
Effing trump for SO Many reasons... electric_blue68 Apr 18 #27
Simply heartbreaking . nt Javaman Apr 18 #29
Ukraine may be better off without "help" from the US and alll the strings that entails. Zelenskyy has been forminng Amaryllis Apr 18 #30
And that was the plan all along. To sow distrust in the United States. Initech Apr 18 #31
Message auto-removed Name removed Apr 18 #33
Join the club. CaptainTruth Apr 18 #35
Writing off Trump is one thing. Emrys Apr 18 #37
What is they say? blue-wave Apr 18 #38
The power structures around the world are shifting. Aussie105 Apr 18 #39
Trump is a loser that keeps America losing Johonny Apr 18 #41
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