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PatrickforB

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39. Ah, the Civil Rights movement was in fact just, but that is not what 'just war' is referring to.
Fri Apr 17, 2026, 02:38 PM
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In the Just War theory, Christians are justified in going to war if the enemy has conducted an unprovoked attack. So, using that definition, we can look back on history and find very few 'just' wars.

Most of the time, when we speak of wars fought under the auspices of religion, it has been a bunch of people who are so very, very certain their religious dogma is correct and everyone else's is wrong that they are willing to kill those who disagree. Often in millions. Examples of that include the wars in Europe over the doctrine of transubstantiation - these happy little conflicts killed 12 million people over forty years.

We also have the crusades, where we had to get a bunch of people together and retake the Holy Land. We can also add the genocide of the Conquistadores against the Aztecs, Maya, Inca and other central and south American civilizations, and the north American genocide against the indiginous tribes on that continent. Millions died.

In fact, try as I might, there are only a few wars we could consider 'just.' In the twentieth century, the Second World War was just because the Axis countries were invading other countries right and left, and Japan attacked us at Pearl Harbor. Of course, there is the nagging little fact that our oil embargo against the Japanese Empire had a causal relationship with the attack at Pearl Harbor. Still, all things considered, we were justified in facing off against the Axis and it took 60 million lives to get rid of Hitler, Mussolini, Tojo and the rest of the fascists.

And Korea - the forgotten war counts. North Korea invaded South Korea and that was unprovoked. China and the USSR treated it as a proxy war, backing N. Korea, and we let an international coalition to preserve the independence of S. Korea. But we did not fight to win because of the nuclear threat.

'Nam was fought by our kids at the behest of the Military Industrial Complex, which arguably took over this country with the assassination of JFK and the MIC crazies convincing LBJ to send 500,000 of our people over there. They wanted to increase PROFITS from arms production and sales. Wall Street roared! In the meantime, America lost 58,000 people and 3.2 million Vietnamese were killed. We had an anti-war movement and riots that nearly tore the republic apart. But Wall Street and the MIC did GREAT! They sold our government $158 billion in death toys, which would amount to nearly a trillion USD now.

The forever wars were fought as a result of a terrorist act that created a shadow war against an invisible enemy. This war could have been won...economically, but never militarily. Unjust.

And this war in Iran? Unjust.

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I"ll just drop this here without comment [View all] AverageOldGuy Yesterday OP
But does he speak in tongues and hate gay men and women? displacedvermoter Yesterday #1
And snakes. He's got to love snakes. Vinca Yesterday #14
Speaker Johnson is an example of the ignorance and hypocrisy that permeates the white evangelical church.. walkingman Yesterday #2
You forgot arrogance -- they are steeped in it. OMGWTF Yesterday #22
Yes, their arrogance is what gets me. They know nothing about their own religion travelingthrulife 9 hrs ago #54
The evangelical church PJMcK Yesterday #31
Whatever mj is, christian ain't one of them! mwmisses4289 Yesterday #3
Aog, Cool meme/factoid dlilafae Yesterday #4
Johnson is a Lemming. Joinfortmill Yesterday #5
I doubt johnson has the brain cells Figarosmom Yesterday #6
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Do remember, Augustine also opined that sex was cachukis Yesterday #8
Somehow, that makes Mike Johnson right? Wednesdays Yesterday #12
Oh, not at all. Just that using prominent theologians cachukis Yesterday #17
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This isn't about procreation GenThePerservering Yesterday #19
Did Jesus speak of a just war? cachukis Yesterday #30
Mike Johnson ladies and gentlemen. Ray Bruns Yesterday #9
Trump is training them to do that Mblaze Yesterday #11
Someone please tell me that we're running a great democrat against him for this seat BComplex Yesterday #37
I'm not sure that Jesus Christ Mblaze Yesterday #10
Ah, the Civil Rights movement was in fact just, but that is not what 'just war' is referring to. PatrickforB Yesterday #39
Thanks Mblaze Yesterday #42
Yes, Mahatma Gandhi - those were righteous movements. And I do agree with you. n/t PatrickforB Yesterday #44
"death toys" blubunyip 15 hrs ago #49
Mike is an evangelical American Xtian. They have no use for Catholics. LeftinOH Yesterday #13
Actually, they have no use for Jesus. Wiz Imp Yesterday #38
I've heard Christian nationalists call Catholics The Wizard Yesterday #45
MAGAts are morons. Martin68 Yesterday #15
Saint Augustine, AKA Augustine of Hippo FakeNoose Yesterday #16
Also, I doubt Augustine was as pale as he is in the Wiki picture haele Yesterday #29
Mike Johnson makes my skin crawl. 3catwoman3 Yesterday #20
Oh mine, too! What a slimy weasel! BComplex Yesterday #36
They train them just like Mossad, CIA or FSB... OhioBack2Blue Yesterday #46
As I said last week displacedvermoter Yesterday #43
You're not alone. Not by a long shot! calimary 21 hrs ago #48
They're ignorant liars. We see it every day. CaptainTruth Yesterday #21
Johnson is now in charge of "blessing the bombs". twodogsbarking Yesterday #23
Dear Pope Leo, BidenRocks Yesterday #24
Mike Johnson Doesn't Understand Something Called "Illegal.... ColoringFool Yesterday #25
speaker elf on a shelf is a jeebus follower. taint the same. pansypoo53219 Yesterday #26
elf on the shelf? Jilly_in_VA Yesterday #28
Martin Luther was an Augustinian too Jilly_in_VA Yesterday #27
I'm not a big fan of Augustine Metaphorical Yesterday #32
I'm not a big fan of Augustine either Jilly_in_VA Yesterday #35
Power mad... GiqueCee Yesterday #33
Explain this one Mikey! BidenRocks Yesterday #34
One of the best scenes in the whole 7 seasons. 3catwoman3 15 hrs ago #50
I was working at Warner Bros. at the time. BidenRocks 10 hrs ago #52
How exciting that must have been. What did you do there? 3catwoman3 9 hrs ago #53
That poster boy for The Dunning-Kruger effect knows better, of course. Dave Bowman Yesterday #40
Bazinga! ShazzieB Yesterday #41
YEP!!!! BurnDoubt 23 hrs ago #47
That's what happens... returnee 14 hrs ago #51
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