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In reply to the discussion: Kirsten Gillibrand [View all]

Ocelot II

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30. And since then many of them have said they regretted it.
Sat Apr 11, 2026, 08:03 PM
Apr 11
A remarkable number of Franken’s Senate colleagues have regrets about their own roles in his fall. Seven current and former U.S. senators who demanded Franken’s resignation in 2017 told me that they’d been wrong to do so. Such admissions are unusual in an institution whose members rarely concede mistakes. Patrick Leahy, the veteran Democrat from Vermont, said that his decision to seek Franken’s resignation without first getting all the facts was “one of the biggest mistakes I’ve made” in forty-five years in the Senate. Heidi Heitkamp, the former senator from North Dakota, told me, “If there’s one decision I’ve made that I would take back, it’s the decision to call for his resignation. It was made in the heat of the moment, without concern for exactly what this was.” Tammy Duckworth, the junior Democratic senator from Illinois, told me that the Senate Ethics Committee “should have been allowed to move forward.” She said it was important to acknowledge the trauma that Franken’s accusers had gone through, but added, “We needed more facts. That due process didn’t happen is not good for our democracy.” Angus King, the Independent senator from Maine, said that he’d “regretted it ever since” he joined the call for Franken’s resignation. “There’s no excuse for sexual assault,” he said. “But Al deserved more of a process. I don’t denigrate the allegations, but this was the political equivalent of capital punishment.” Senator Jeff Merkley, of Oregon, told me, “This was a rush to judgment that didn’t allow any of us to fully explore what this was about. I took the judgment of my peers rather than independently examining the circumstances. In my heart, I’ve not felt right about it.” Bill Nelson, the former Florida senator, said, “I realized almost right away I’d made a mistake. I felt terrible. I should have stood up for due process to render what it’s supposed to—the truth.” Tom Udall, the senior Democratic senator from New Mexico, said, “I made a mistake. I started having second thoughts shortly after he stepped down. He had the right to be heard by an independent investigative body. I’ve heard from people around my state, and around the country, saying that they think he got railroaded. It doesn’t seem fair. I’m a lawyer. I really believe in due process.”

Former Senate Minority Leader Harry Reid, who watched the drama unfold from retirement, told me, “It’s terrible what happened to him. It was unfair. It took the legs out from under him. He was a very fine senator.” Many voters have also protested Franken’s decision. A Change.org petition urging Franken to retract his resignation received more than seventy-five thousand signatures. It declared, “There’s a difference between abuse and a mistake.”

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2019/07/29/the-case-of-al-franken

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Kirsten Gillibrand [View all] milestogo Apr 11 OP
Absolutely! The Swalwell issue stinks of repuke rat fuckery. SheltieLover Apr 11 #1
Even Al called for a Senate Ethics committee ivestigation. ProudMNDemocrat Apr 11 #2
Tony dropped out. There is talk of kicking him out of congress. LeftInTX Apr 11 #24
The 'allegations" against Franken were nothing compared to Swalwell. What Gillebrand and others Nanjeanne Apr 11 #3
The allegations are serious. milestogo Apr 11 #8
The "allegations against Franken were nothing, period. ananda Apr 11 #18
False. Why do Franken defenders continue to say that? EdmondDantes_ Apr 11 #19
Read this, and please be honest about it. Ocelot II Apr 11 #28
I've read it in the past. It didn't change anything for me EdmondDantes_ Apr 11 #39
Mob mentality Bluetus Apr 11 #45
One of the alleged incidents occurred in 2024, but of course all of the accusations Ocelot II Apr 11 #46
Would you acknowledge any of these 4 things? Bluetus Apr 11 #53
Any of those things are possible, which is why a thorough investigation is needed. Ocelot II Apr 11 #54
These things don't get better with time, though... OhioBack2Blue Apr 12 #59
Thank you for this! niyad Apr 12 #56
Franken Cirsium Apr 11 #29
I mostly agree with you but not entirely jfz9580m Apr 11 #50
Yes exactly. Nanjeanne Apr 11 #31
Don't forget Roger Stone. vanlassie Apr 12 #60
She was one of many SocialDemocrat61 Apr 11 #4
Who was one of many what? Amaryllis Apr 11 #9
39 Senators SocialDemocrat61 Apr 11 #11
Thank you! Amaryllis Apr 11 #12
They just KNEW if they played nice and canned Franken then Republicans Bengus81 Apr 11 #13
You speak of playing nice, footballs. Games, teams, and jerseys. R vs. B Maru Kitteh Apr 11 #37
And since then many of them have said they regretted it. Ocelot II Apr 11 #30
So? SocialDemocrat61 Apr 11 #32
How do you know the other 32 didn't also regret it? Ocelot II Apr 11 #33
I don't SocialDemocrat61 Apr 11 #34
no reason to think that they don't, either Skittles Apr 11 #43
Is there evidence SocialDemocrat61 Apr 11 #47
I don't see Chuck Schumer on this list - WTF? FakeNoose Apr 11 #14
Schumer probably directed things SocialDemocrat61 Apr 11 #22
SHE LED THE WAY Skittles Apr 11 #17
same here. nt orleans Apr 11 #20
By less than 5 minutes SocialDemocrat61 Apr 11 #21
editing Skittles Apr 11 #25
You are entitled to your opinion SocialDemocrat61 Apr 11 #27
aren't they all? Skittles Apr 11 #36
Some are more supported by facts than others. EdmondDantes_ Apr 11 #40
I never said she was alone, I said she LED THE WAY Skittles Apr 11 #41
No its not SocialDemocrat61 Apr 11 #48
well like you said THAT'S YOUR OPINION Skittles Apr 11 #51
No. SocialDemocrat61 Apr 11 #52
Again by a handful of minutes and it was organized within the party EdmondDantes_ Apr 12 #61
I'd rather have Tina Smith, thanks. She's been fantastic. WhiskeyGrinder Apr 11 #5
No and they won't. Autumn Apr 11 #6
Who won't what ? Indefinite pronouns. Cant tell what your references refer to. Amaryllis Apr 11 #10
+1000 aeromanKC Apr 11 #7
The whole conservative establishment in the party has to go LiberalLovinLug Apr 11 #15
Hear, hear! ZDU Apr 11 #26
Good memory! ABC123Easy Apr 11 #16
Why isn't the responsibility on the man who had 8 accusers? EdmondDantes_ Apr 11 #23
Why can't believing them and still not wanting him thrown out be an option? Polybius Apr 11 #38
I admit I didn't think anyone would say he groped a bunch of women and it's not a fireable offense as an option EdmondDantes_ Apr 11 #42
But he didn't do it on the job, it was alleged to have been years ago Polybius Apr 11 #44
One of his accusers SocialDemocrat61 Apr 11 #49
Thanks for reminding us of something that happened 8 years ago. tinrobot Apr 11 #35
I'm with you! Faux pas Apr 12 #55
KNR and bookmarking for later. niyad Apr 12 #57
she got played. pansypoo53219 Apr 12 #58
Overdoing the sweetie-pie/tough-guy stuff gulliver Apr 12 #62
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