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Ms. Toad

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39. What does proven false mean in your mind - found not guilty by a jury?

Sat Apr 11, 2026, 01:51 PM

Apr 11

Juries still struggle to convict rapists, and not guilty does not mean the allegation was false - it means that the prosecution (the state, not the woman) did not prove to the jury that the person committed the crime beyond a reasonable doubt. To prove the allegation was wrong, a convicted person would need to seek an actual innocence finding.

The accuser found liable in a civil court? That number is vanishingly small. And, civil juries are just as likely to disbelieve women in liable cases against them as they are in criminal cases?

Complaint withdrawn? Many women just give up and withdraw their claims after being bullied into it by the accuser, family, friends, media, and people asserting things like a ridiculously high rate of false reports.

I am unaware of a single forum (aside from a civil defamation suit) in which an accuser is proven to have made a false accusation.

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Two issues on our rape culture and one party system. [View all] ananda Apr 11 OP

" Why did the Swalwell accusers wait so long?" WhiskeyGrinder Apr 11 #1

Again, contradictions Chasstev365 Apr 11 #2

" why would you put yourself in the same exact situation a second time?" WhiskeyGrinder Apr 11 #3

Thank you for this post and your others in this thread. yardwork Apr 11 #12

Thank you for speaking eloquently on this EdmondDantes_ Apr 11 #13

How dumb can I be? Chasstev365 Apr 11 #14

The "you" in the post is rhetorical and is meant to show people what might be going through a victim's mind as they WhiskeyGrinder Apr 11 #17

I think you misunderstood the poster. yardwork Apr 11 #19

Well said. ananda Apr 11 #8

i agree with all that rampartd Apr 11 #4

The good ole days, right? ananda Apr 11 #9

If the details are right in the news. Then... RoeVWade Apr 11 #5

I am giving Swalwell the benefit of the doubt until more concrete evidence is available. Lonestarblue Apr 11 #6

Well, the timing sure is fishy. ananda Apr 11 #7

It's very possible the survivors are speaking now to prevent his election. yardwork Apr 11 #20

I get that. ananda Apr 11 #22

Remember there were 8 Franken accusers, including some Democrats n/t Ms. Toad Apr 11 #27

Why do I not believe these women right away? mwmisses4289 Apr 11 #10

San Francisco Chronicle published facts suggesting they're telling the truth ... Auggie Apr 11 #21

This does happen. ananda Apr 11 #28

Well, that sucks bigtime. mwmisses4289 Apr 11 #32

I know. It's been WAY too long like this. ananda Apr 11 #33

Your last sentence tends to prove the rest of your post. yardwork Apr 11 #11

I apologize for doing that. I didn't realize... ananda Apr 11 #23

Thanks for acknowledging that. yardwork Apr 11 #24

Tribes protect valuable members OC375 Apr 11 #15

How many times do we have to go over why victims keep it to themselves? eShirl Apr 11 #16

The same amount of times there have been false allegations? Mysterian Apr 11 #18

False allegations are fairly rare. yardwork Apr 11 #25

They are more common than you think. mwmisses4289 Apr 11 #34

Proven false often means the victim was so insulted, dismissed, blamed Ms. Toad Apr 11 #36

I will disagree with that. mwmisses4289 Apr 11 #37

Rape is the most difficult crime to prosecute Quiet Em Apr 11 #38

What does proven false mean in your mind - found not guilty by a jury? Ms. Toad Apr 11 #39

Proven false means just that- the person making the allegation lied about it. mwmisses4289 Apr 11 #40

My question is about "proven." You've been dancing around, but not answering that. Ms. Toad Apr 11 #41

I believe I have answered your question to the best of my ability. mwmisses4289 Apr 11 #42

You finally, for the first time, did something to explain the word you choose (proven). Ms. Toad Apr 11 #43

Why did the Trump and Epstein accusers said so long? Ms. Toad Apr 11 #26

Thank you for sharing your experiences here. yardwork Apr 11 #30

You're welcome. Ms. Toad Apr 11 #35

I will wait until passing judgment although his case looks bleak. GreenWave Apr 11 #29

"Why did the Swalwell accusers wait so long?" Wednesdays Apr 11 #31

waiting to come forward is a consequence of the abuse bigtree Apr 11 #44