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flashman13

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28. I'm going to have to defend Kennedy here. In 1960 the Cold Wr was at it's height and every
Thu Apr 9, 2026, 03:32 PM
Apr 9

politician of either party had to be bellicose toward the Russians if they wanted to be elected.

In June of 1961 Kennedy botched the Vienna Summit. Khrushchev viewed Kennedy as inexperienced and weak. This emboldened the Russians to built the Berlin Wall. To his credit Kennedy did not try to retrieve his mistake with military force.

The Bay of Pigs was a CIA plan which Kennedy inherited from the Eisenhower administration. He was dubious about it but, he felt that if he called it off, he would again be labeled weak. He had the foresight not to send in the U.S. Air Force to support the invasion knowing it would draw us into an extended conflict.

When it was discovered that the U.S.S.R. was about to introduce nuclear weapons into Cuba, he had no choice but to prevent that. Curtis LeMay, U.S.A.F. Chief of Staff, was foaming at the mouth to blast Cuba into the stone age, with nukes if necessary. Kennedy was wise enough to tell LeMay no. Through courage and adroit negotiations, he persuaded the Kremlin to remove the missiles using a sea blockade (which is generally considered an act of war) without blowing up the world. Even after the Missile Crisis was resolved, LeMay continued to advocate for an invasion. Kennedy again had to tell him no. As an aside, in 1962 I was 13 and lived in Miami. I remember anti-aircraft missile batteries all around the city. I knew from the adults around me that something was going on that stressed them out.

The Vietnam fiasco was something else he inherited from the Eisenhower administration. Early on Kennedy saw the situation as "a brush fire war" of little consequence, but he felt, after the Berlin Wall mistake, he couldn't give the communists a free hand. He was opposed to committing combat forces, as was the Pentagon. He went with a half measure of sending advisors to train the incompetent Army of South Vietnam. He increased the number of advisors, but refused to sent combat troops. He was appalled by the assassination of Diem. We know he thought Vietnam was a lost cause. He was told by advisors that if we became embroiled in a hot war, the effort would fail for the same reasons the French had failed. Various memoirs and biographies indicate that he was planning to pull the plug on the whole misadventure. However, the CIA, it being their nature, wanted war. His desire to end our involvement may very well have been at least a contributing factor to his assassination.

All in all, in three years Kennedy had the opportunity to involve up in several major conflagrations. To his credit he avoided wars of choice.

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LBJ, maybe? JoseBalow Apr 9 #1
They say he had a big one Dan Apr 9 #3
LBJ ordering pants BaronChocula Apr 9 #55
That's just speculation EYESORE 9001 Apr 9 #4
Only some comically-oversized Florsheims could pull that off Blue Owl Apr 9 #2
According to Stormy Daniels, there's not much there Grim Chieftain Apr 9 #15
America elected the lowest common denominator to office Torchlight Apr 9 #5
Well said BlueWaveNeverEnd Apr 9 #6
You've made a good case for this being the worst in terms of absurdity, if not... NNadir Apr 9 #7
I'm going to have to defend Kennedy here. In 1960 the Cold Wr was at it's height and every flashman13 Apr 9 #28
I agree with your second paragraph. I hold the Vienna summit... NNadir Apr 9 #41
We certainly have a differing view on historical events. I'll leave it at that. flashman13 Apr 9 #46
Agreed, popsdenver Apr 9 #52
Well this Iran war is the most stupid thing in recent history. LeftInTX Apr 9 #36
This vile and horrible administration wouldn't have happened if not for Fox. Initech Apr 9 #8
According to Stormy Daniels, it would be most difficult if not impossible for him to do. mdbl Apr 9 #9
I don't think Trump is that flexible Fiendish Thingy Apr 9 #10
No, but Franklin Pierce had an extensive groin injury from a saddle horn during a battle Uncle Joe Apr 9 #11
;-{) Dethroned Goonch Apr 9 #12
He did articulate a reason: he and some of his cronies mwmisses4289 Apr 9 #13
Yes, oil is one reason. But he could not say that at first wnylib Apr 9 #42
You state it well LeftInTX Apr 9 #43
Andrew Johnson did a bad job reading the room Johonny Apr 9 #14
Yes. ShazzieB Apr 9 #16
Certainly none who has tried to swing his little nubbin around Warpy Apr 9 #17
It's almost as though everything he does... Orrex Apr 9 #18
You have found it, Ocelot! It is the one thing Trump is actually really, really good at! Fucking up. n/t PatrickforB Apr 9 #19
No not as immediately. Geebus, what is it 5 weeks? underpants Apr 9 #20
Iraq was a pretty immense debacle. BannonsLiver Apr 9 #21
He would have to cut it off stage left Apr 9 #22
Truman dropped a nuclear bomb on civilians - twice. Mblaze Apr 9 #23
Truman never had any regrets. He believed that ending the war spared about 100,000 US troops. mobeau69 Apr 9 #44
I can understand that. Mblaze Apr 9 #48
According to the common Trump-slurpers, he's restored our rightful place of respect in the world and NBachers Apr 9 #24
I don't think so! And it couldn't happen to a more deserving POS LymphocyteLover Apr 9 #25
Really quite a feat to step on that tiny mushroom! LymphocyteLover Apr 9 #26
Exactly bdamomma Apr 9 #35
As somebody said, it's one thing to step on your own dick, it's another thing to jump up and down on it Walleye Apr 9 #27
What dick? Dave Bowman Apr 9 #29
It's only dick stepping if it isn't exactly what you want to do. BlueTsunami2018 Apr 9 #30
Just to add: Bush I casued the FIRST iraq debacle JHB Apr 9 #31
Obama wore a tan suit. BHDem53 Apr 9 #32
Brilliant! Talitha Apr 9 #37
The Benefit of this War is Putin's Win pioche4 Apr 9 #33
Despite having such a tiny mushroom WheelWalker Apr 9 #34
Miracles in modern electron microscopes make this possible for him. GreenWave Apr 9 #38
No president ever had the challenge of having such a small dick to step on. No way he can see it over his enormous belly Martin68 Apr 9 #39
A not so tiny hiney,and a teeny weeny. BattleRow Apr 9 #49
Our country has been totally fucked by SCOTUS decisions over the years. ananda Apr 9 #40
Shrub and his attacking Wednesdays Apr 9 #45
I blame a lot of it on the apprentice show Tree Lady Apr 9 #47
They harped about the keystone pipeline using fox bs endlessly. mobeau69 Apr 9 #50
Shart of the deal IronLionZion Apr 9 #51
It would be one thing if he stepped on his own dick Javaman Apr 9 #53
"Galactically stupid" sums it up quite well! KY_EnviroGuy Apr 9 #54
Galactically Stupid BunnyMcGee Apr 9 #56
... and none of those presidents you named, could actually STEP on their dick Jack Valentino Apr 9 #57
I think Shady Vance and Pete Kegsbreath are going to go through some things, maybe along with Little Marco COL Mustard Apr 10 #58
And then declared victory. TheRickles Apr 10 #59
No, but considering Aviation Pro Apr 10 #60
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