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Mustellus

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65. Like too much .. its a show...
Thu Apr 2, 2026, 12:50 PM
10 hrs ago

Cross posted from Daily Kos: about the 'inspiration' of the moon program

Yes, that’s about my growing up time, but I even bought the dream, and became a full-fledged Rocket Scientist. Wrote the book even. Msg me for reading recommendations….

Artemis built a nice 4 person capsule that can withstand very high speed reentry. But there was no money left for a decent ‘service module’ in Apollo lingo. So the Europeans supplied the aft end of their space station logistics vehicle. The part with rocket engines and fuel and such, but not enough of either. The SLS launch rocket, assembled basically out of Shuttle parts (“Lego Rockets”, we call them.. ) was assembled by Boeing. It worked well, in spite of huge cost overruns and infinite delays. Yes, that’s the same Boeing that did the Starliner capsule, and the 737 Max.

Artemis II won’t get very close to the moon. In fact, it can’t. It takes fuel to get down close to the moon, and more still to get back out of the moon’s dinky ‘gravity well’ again. Artemis doesn’t have it.

Apollo was cut short at Apollo 18, when the American public, yea verily, even those with short attention spans, complained that their soap operas and sporting events were being interrupted by space news. But in a sense, it was stopped just in time. Sunspot maximum was approaching, and there wasn’t good radiation protection in the Apollo capsule nor on the lunar surface. Artemis doesn’t have good radiation protection once it leaves the safe bubble of the earth’s magnetic field, either. It will do so tonight, if everything continues to plan.

Of course, we are in the middle of sunspot maximum, so this is a real concern. Once on the lunar trajectory, there is no easy way to abort back to the safety of earth. Even Apollo 13 couldn’t do that.

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This government isn't interested in promoting that kind of success story -- a diverse crew working on science for WhiskeyGrinder Yesterday #1
You nailed it here. Maru Kitteh Yesterday #2
There was a story about this on NPR earlier today. cab67 Yesterday #3
And the crew IS STILL A BLACK MAN, A WOMAN, AND ya know two white guys....... a kennedy Yesterday #4
100 percent agree! cab67 Yesterday #7
Trump Wants To Know Only If He Can Profit. If Not, PFFFFT. ColoringFool Yesterday #36
Trump will put his name on the moon base Zorro 4 hrs ago #92
I think that is why he chose tonight to give his "speech" mercuryblues Yesterday #39
I'm sorry. Gotta interrupt here to admire the "Old Colostomy" nickname. calimary 6 hrs ago #85
I stole it from John Oliver. cab67 5 hrs ago #90
That's A BINGO! NASA Is Lucky Trump Probably Didn't Know, Either! "DEI! STOP! DEI!" ColoringFool Yesterday #35
I'm old enough to remember when we had an admin who did promote/celebrate that kind of success... PunkinPi 15 hrs ago #49
"Old Colostomy" will probably send MyOwnPeace 4 hrs ago #91
Seriously. How did DOGE miss this DEI atrocity? travelingthrulife 13 hrs ago #58
I was 8 years old when Neil Armstrong took that Phoenix61 Yesterday #5
Your grandfather was born before the first airplane took flight. cab67 Yesterday #6
My grandmother was born in 1903.... lastlib Yesterday #38
I was five. OldBaldy1701E Yesterday #29
We must be about the same age Bayard Yesterday #40
It was a wild thing. OldBaldy1701E 14 hrs ago #50
I was in junior high school Sequoia 12 hrs ago #60
I was at a friends house airplaneman 8 hrs ago #78
Right? OldBaldy1701E 6 hrs ago #86
I was 11 ... it was "mind: blown" for me LSparkle 14 hrs ago #54
Moon walk blanket! Love it! electric_blue68 10 hrs ago #67
Oh MAN, I remember that! calimary 6 hrs ago #87
It wasn't well promoted LeftInTX Yesterday #8
I didn't hear about it until 30 minutes or so before the launch. Ms. Toad Yesterday #9
You've got a point. cab67 Yesterday #10
I agree. The lack of interest, much less excitement, is brer cat Yesterday #11
Me too. I was in grade school when all the space stuff was going on. Diamond_Dog Yesterday #41
When your future looks promising Keepthesoulalive Yesterday #43
Very good points. I am 79 so I was old enough to feel brer cat 20 hrs ago #48
It's just not that inspiring imo. We've done it before - several times. harumph Yesterday #12
Not inspiring? cab67 Yesterday #21
So did any of them show any Figarosmom Yesterday #13
They did, in fact. cab67 Yesterday #18
I was amazed at how little coverage was aired by MSM BeneteauBum Yesterday #14
They're probably more concerned about where they're going to get money to eat littlemissmartypants Yesterday #15
Same arguments were made during the Apollo era. cab67 Yesterday #23
I'm sure the defense budget could use a little trimming. electric_blue68 9 hrs ago #72
I didn't hear about it until this morning Niagara Yesterday #16
I didn't know about it until the Daily podcast this morning. Kablooie Yesterday #17
I'm embarrassed to say I only heard about it today! It sure wasn't promoted much buy the govt or the media! LymphocyteLover Yesterday #19
One of the thrills of my life... oldsoldierfadingfast Yesterday #20
I saw the dweeby blapping TV head talking with a NASA scientist; he said the moon was 250 million miles from Earth. NBachers Yesterday #22
your loss. cab67 Yesterday #24
You do understand why I wouldn't listen to a reporter who claims the moon is 250,000,000 miles from Earth, don't you? NBachers 14 hrs ago #53
I would certainly ignore him. cab67 13 hrs ago #55
I learned about it the day before yesterday. johnp3907 Yesterday #25
A woman, a person of color and a non American. Buddyzbuddy Yesterday #26
I knew nothing about it until today LNM Yesterday #27
Been there Done that? thought crime Yesterday #28
Because in the 54 years since we were last on the moon Javaman Yesterday #30
You post reminded me of this song: johnp3907 Yesterday #31
I'm old enough to remember watching the first moon landing on TV--- Jack Valentino Yesterday #32
Because it's not on social media Diraven Yesterday #33
If Elon had had his way, there would be no Artemis II mission pat_k Yesterday #34
All of the above is true, but all secondary issues Bluetus Yesterday #37
The Apollo missions happened while the USA was deep into the Vietnam War IronLionZion Yesterday #42
Trump has spent more time on his ballroom Johonny Yesterday #44
My mom worked at NASA when I was a young girl and she would get positively emotional... Trueblue Texan Yesterday #45
Part of it is that Trmp was trying so hard to fuck over NASA and every other science program that people just didn't eppur_se_muova Yesterday #46
I'm an xennial róisín_dubh Yesterday #47
I'll bet their social feeds regularly contain conspiracy theories about the US faking the original 1969 landing Ponietz 14 hrs ago #51
This was true for the chat feed on NASA's broadcast yesterday. cab67 13 hrs ago #57
At this point in history, in my view, we really can't afford space entertainment. NNadir 14 hrs ago #52
I respectfully disagree. cab67 13 hrs ago #56
While I respect your opinion, we need to channel our scientific resourses more wisely. NNadir 12 hrs ago #59
Kids in your classes grew up with Star Trek and Star Wars movies, plus a lot of other SciFi FakeNoose 12 hrs ago #61
I was 12 for the start of (original run of) Star Trek... electric_blue68 9 hrs ago #71
I was draft bait when Apollo 11 landed on the Moon and It was on my peripheral. JohnnyRingo 12 hrs ago #62
I live close to the Fl northeast coast. Fla Dem 11 hrs ago #63
I saw a shuttle launch from the beach in 2008 (?) progressoid 10 hrs ago #66
There was a lot of shit happening during the Apollo missions too ThoughtCriminal 11 hrs ago #64
Like too much .. its a show... Mustellus 10 hrs ago #65
I certainly appreciate robotics, but we still need the Human Experience. We are often explorers. electric_blue68 9 hrs ago #68
The US is failing miserably on science. Historic NY 9 hrs ago #69
I knew about it, idk, a few weeks back. Very excited it's happening. electric_blue68 9 hrs ago #70
Apollo 11 landed on evolves 9 hrs ago #73
Guess they dont "follow" NASA on social media. IcyPeas 8 hrs ago #74
I watched the launch yesterday 49jim 8 hrs ago #75
When the Soviet Union successfully orbited Sputnik... hunter 8 hrs ago #76
Great OP malaise 8 hrs ago #77
My son was born on June 6, 1969. Bumbles 8 hrs ago #79
Have always supported a robust space program, but I have some sympathy for the lack of interest right now in Artemis. Martin68 8 hrs ago #80
I was a freshman in HS and watching AKwannabe 7 hrs ago #81
first year in college for me. cab67 5 hrs ago #89
Message auto-removed Name removed 7 hrs ago #82
Welcome to Costco. I love you. Moostache 7 hrs ago #83
It is worse that than. drray23 6 hrs ago #84
Here is my theory ... aggiesal 5 hrs ago #88
Could it be a lack of curiosity in kids these days? Due to so much info being thrown in their faces everyday? nt Exp 4 hrs ago #93
Are they running from ICE?Worried about paying for the next semester?Working a job and attending class? Scalded Nun 3 hrs ago #94
I did mention it before launch. cab67 2 hrs ago #96
I agree with what you wrote, but personally babylonsister 2 hrs ago #95
I understand the "so much need" argument. cab67 2 hrs ago #97
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