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highplainsdem

(61,409 posts)
28. I'm sorry, but you're wrong.
Sun Mar 1, 2026, 04:42 PM
Sunday

I did not say that non-AI sources can't ever be wrong, even when they're usually correct and have a long and deserved reputation for reliability. But if a DUer checks those usually reliable sources for information and quotes and links to them, they're providing much more useful information than if they quote a chatbot that might provide a completely different answer the next time it's prompted.

The dangers of AI are not from hallucinations, but in wealthy humans and bad actors using AI to the overtly and covertly manipulate people and society. That, and the potential for AI to rise up and just plain put an end to humanity.


Hallucinations are a very real danger. I've seen a lot of AI hallucinatiins offering very dangerous advice, and you've probably seen news stories about those. Hallucinations can happen at any time with LLMs, even if they're trained on accurate information, and if it gets published, online or off, it can get quoted and spread further. That's often described as pollution of our information ecosystem, and it's a serious problem.

wealthy humans and bad actors using AI to the overtly and covertly manipulate people and society


That's a separate danger from AI, which I've posted a number of messages about on DU and other platforms.

the potential for AI to rise up and just plain put an end to humanity


Again, a separate danger from AI, and one I've posted about.

Fraud is a criminal act meant to harm another. "Fraud is the intentional use of deception, trickery, or dishonest acts to deprive another person or entity of money, property, or legal rights for personal gain." While use of AI without disclosing could be fraud, it is not inherently fraudulent. For example, if the Gmail response widget suggests a response, and I use the suggestion as my reply without disclosing, this is not fraud. When I use Google to give a friend directions to my house without disclosing the use of AI, this is not fraud. If I use AI to generate an image and post it to Reddit, this is not fraud.


The definition of fraud includes but is not limited to criminal fraud, and it does not require depriving another person of something.

Fraud is trickery or deception. Period. It can be done to deprive someone else of something. It can also mean deception to gain something. Sometimes it can be so habitual there's little or no conscious intent behind it.

I used that word because in a society with so much deception by AI, we're dealing with a very serious problem.

On a message board, people expect what's posted by someone to be a message from them, unless it's in quotation marks, in which case the source of the quotation should be given. Unless it's a common saying that can't be attributed to anyone.

If someone posts simple information in response to a question, like the translation of a word or a location of some upcoming event, they may or may not have looked it up, and they may or may not give the source. If I need to do some quick googling to answer a question, I'll usually say that I googled it. I used to say "Google is your friend" but Google is doing so much harm now with its AI that it's no longer a friend.

if the Gmail response widget suggests a response, and I use the suggestion as my reply without disclosing, this is not fraud


Yes, it is, unless you've told the person you're writing to that you are using AI in email.

If I use AI to generate an image and post it to Reddit, this is not fraud.


Whether or not it is depends on the image and what you say when you post it.

If you're posting it in a subreddit for AI art, fake art, and everyone would assume it's AI-generated, then it isn't fraud.

If it's posted anywhere else and it's photorealistic and it might trick anyone seeing it into thinking it's a real photo, then it's fraud unless you disclose when you post it that it is AI.

If you post an AI image that isn't photorealistic and you simply say "I did this" or "This is my artwork" then IMO that is fraud, because you did not create that image. An AI did. You might've given it a prompt, but anyone who's ever used gen AI knows it can offer a wide selection of responses from any prompt. You might have spent a lot of time discarding images the AI offered until it finally gave you one you liked, and you might have edited or tweaked it in various ways, but if you just say it's yours, you'd be leading a lot of people to believe it really is your creation, whether digital art or a photo of nondigital visual art like a painting or sketch. And that would be fraud.

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Absolutely! pat_k Sunday #1
I'm glad you label it, but why bother posting what any chatbot says when it might give a different answer highplainsdem Sunday #7
Very true. AI generated content looks and sounds authoritative, even when it's not mdbl Sunday #10
I always question AI - ask for quotes, womanofthehills Sunday #14
That will NOT prevent it from lying. Ms. Toad Sunday #35
This is an AI Video... leftstreet Sunday #2
It's still slop. It's still dumb. Our most effective weapons against Trump and his regime are real news, highplainsdem Sunday #3
I thought the subject was labeling it leftstreet Sunday #5
I'm glad you agree with the labeling. I thought you posted that video as something that you felt highplainsdem Sunday #8
bwahahaha jmbar2 Sunday #4
No way ornotna Sunday #62
LOL. Sometimes we need to laugh at one form Ilsa Monday #71
With some small effort one can usually find the source of this plagiarized material. hunter Sunday #6
Ah, Liechtenstein! kurtyboy Sunday #18
I agree, but...... SergeStorms Sunday #9
They don't all add disclaimers, though, here on DU or on other websites - and most of the time they highplainsdem Sunday #12
I agree SergeStorms Sunday #34
Thanks! highplainsdem Sunday #53
Thank you !!!! This should be a DU rule. Trueblue1968 Sunday #11
Yes! SheltieLover Sunday #21
If people are posting AI generated text here withour saying it's AI, I agree that it should be labeled as such. ShazzieB Sunday #13
The AI overview is there to keep you in the google sandbox. hunter Sunday #47
Yes, and No ThreeNoSeep Sunday #15
Yes, they are committing fraud, i.e. plagurisim. paleotn Sunday #25
Academic researchers use other people's work all the time. (#bibliography) ThreeNoSeep Sunday #59
They cite other people's work. Other PEOPLE. Cite LLMs? paleotn Sunday #60
Theft? Nope. ThreeNoSeep Sunday #61
I'm sorry, but you're wrong. highplainsdem Sunday #28
Where are your citations for the above? jmbar2 Sunday #39
Citations for what's in the excerpt boxes? Those are quotes from the message I was replying to. highplainsdem Sunday #43
They're quotes, so they need ____________________ jmbar2 Sunday #45
Not when it's a quote from someone I'm replying to in an excerpt box in a reply following their message. highplainsdem Sunday #49
Agree 100%. Thank you! CaptainTruth Sunday #16
Is this a new rule or guideline? Joinfortmill Sunday #17
If not, should be. paleotn Sunday #22
I have no issue with this if it is a rule by the site owner Joinfortmill Sunday #23
They're wishing, not presenting. paleotn Sunday #26
You might want to read my post again. Joinfortmill Sunday #27
Do they have the ability to make policy? No. Then it's just wishing. paleotn Sunday #29
Read it. Joinfortmill Sunday #32
It's a request, starting with the word "please" - no more a rule or guideline than the many requests highplainsdem Sunday #33
Chill. Why the freaking anger? paleotn Sunday #36
I'm not angry. Joinfortmill Sunday #44
Then why is this such an issue for you? Seriously? paleotn Sunday #56
It is the way it was presented. Joinfortmill Sunday #57
It's a request, made because we have had chatbot responses posted here that weren't identified as highplainsdem Sunday #31
Perfectly good reasons why we should NEVER use AI for this forum. paleotn Sunday #19
Absolutely agreed! SheltieLover Sunday #20
Is this like blaming someone for holding a counterfeit banknote? Drum Sunday #24
I simply put many of these AI enthusiasts on my ignore list. hunter Sunday #40
Agreed! Drum Sunday #42
It's possible I decry this new industry more than highplainsdem does. hunter Sunday #55
Amen. Wednesdays Sunday #30
I'm here for the humans. carpetbagger Sunday #37
LOL! I hope we all are. Heaven help this board if very much of it turns into a place to trade highplainsdem Sunday #38
Do we need to know the political affiliation of the chatbot? MichMan Sunday #41
And their pronouns jmbar2 Sunday #46
This isn't in the TOS. It's a request made for the reasons explained in the OP. And identifying the chatbot helps highplainsdem Sunday #50
I come to DU to find out what other people think. AI doesn't think. It's "artificial!" nt LAS14 Sunday #48
Exactly. There are already too many responses from bots in a lot of other online forums. highplainsdem Sunday #58
I ask that an AI tag be added to the subject line so those of us who find AI revolting can easily Trash it a SheltieLover Sunday #51
I think a trigger warning might be more appropriate jmbar2 Sunday #52
It's not a trigger for me, but AI in subject makes it easier to trash in settings. SheltieLover Sunday #54
I'm starting to think you don't care about any other issue. FascismIsDeath Sunday #63
Really? I've posted about lots of other issues, here and on other platforms. highplainsdem Sunday #64
"AI slop" has became the equivalent of using "woke" as a pejorative. FascismIsDeath Sunday #65
You don't seem to understand that people choosing to use and promote a technology they know is unethical and highplainsdem Monday #66
Jawohl! LPBBEAR Monday #67
This. Martin68 Monday #68
Thank you highplainsdem. c-rational Monday #69
About the search engine AI overviews mentioned above... FemDemERA Monday #70
Very helpful - thanks jmbar2 Monday #72
This is the owners issue, not ours. Mosby Monday #73
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