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LudwigPastorius

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93. "Trump will put the Navy in harms way in a completely untenable situation in the narrow seas in and around...

Fri Feb 27, 2026, 03:08 PM

Feb 27

the Persian Gulf."

I think Vic Admiral Kacher told Hegseth and Trump as much, and for doing so, they turned around and fired him as director of the Joint Staff.

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/pentagon-removes-senior-official-joint-staff-post-sources-say-2026-02-26/

I also think that the reports of Iran buying hypersonic missiles from China better be taken seriously.

https://www.reuters.com/world/china/iran-nears-deal-buy-supersonic-anti-ship-missiles-china-2026-02-24/

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Anybody here old enough to remeber the beginnigs of US involvement in Viet Nam? [View all] 3_Limes Feb 27 OP

The trick is to wage war without declaring war dalton99a Feb 27 #1

Resulting in 58,000 US soldiers killed, 300,000 wounded. surfered Feb 27 #12

+1. Saigon is now a huge modern metropolis dalton99a Feb 27 #18

That picture is beautiful MarineCombatEngineer Feb 27 #53

Wow! SWBTATTReg Feb 27 #73

Ho Chi Minh City surfered Feb 27 #105

My mind is old popsdenver Feb 27 #25

Even the Korean War was described as a police action dalton99a Feb 27 #30

My father served in Vietnam in 1966-67. He never forgave Johnson and McNamara. mommymarine2003 Feb 27 #34

In December, just before the Tet occurred popsdenver Feb 27 #40

If only your father could have known about... Chemical Bill Feb 27 #104

Yeah, at the time, it wasn't a declared war, it was a so called police action, MarineCombatEngineer Feb 27 #56

It was a slow process. GCG Feb 27 #2

I saw this unfold as a young mother. My son was 3 years old. I feared the war would drag on until he was 18 and he would CTyankee Feb 27 #10

The first US soldier killed in Vietnam Emile Feb 27 #15

Johnson lied America into war via Gulf of Tonkin. Kid Berwyn Feb 27 #3

Because he was lied TO by the generals Jilly_in_VA Feb 27 #67

And the admirals, and the NSA, but most of all the CIA. Kid Berwyn Feb 27 #75

Good old Allen Dulles Jilly_in_VA Feb 27 #76

Maximum temperatures, please. And for John McCloy... Kid Berwyn Feb 27 #88

You don't even have to go back that far. Ritabert Feb 27 #4

+1 dalton99a Feb 27 #6

Balloon the debt, it did popsdenver Feb 27 #29

Ah yes, you're bringing back memories PatSeg Feb 27 #36

I bring up current things popsdenver Feb 27 #43

Not everyone is paying close attention PatSeg Feb 27 #58

I've been paying attention since 1969. Reagan really made me pay attention. Ritabert Feb 27 #63

I remember we paid a lot of attention PatSeg Feb 27 #83

I didn't realize what Reagan and his minions were up to until later... Ritabert Feb 27 #97

It is often different when you right in the middle of it PatSeg Feb 27 #101

You are so right. Ritabert Feb 27 #60

Liars all. Ritabert Feb 27 #59

you took the words off my keyboard WhiteTara Feb 27 #39

The reason we are in the economic mess we're in. Ritabert Feb 27 #62

+1 leftstreet Feb 27 #52

After Vietnam divided in half in the '50s the US provided financial support to the south, Ocelot II Feb 27 #5

I thought Eisenhower had *advisors* in Vietnam during his administration at the request of the French Deuxcents Feb 27 #78

He did. Kennedy started the escalation. Ocelot II Feb 27 #82

Truman started that in 1950. Celerity Feb 27 #87

November 1, 1955 "the official beginning of American involvement in the war" muriel_volestrangler Feb 27 #96

Guess I didn't really ask the right question. 3_Limes Feb 27 #7

Maybe on February 27, 1968: Ocelot II Feb 27 #17

It was probably around that time, PatSeg Feb 27 #38

That' was definitely the time Jilly_in_VA Feb 27 #69

I was in college 1967-1971. There were anti war and civil rights protests all the time. I remember things gaining steam KitFox Feb 27 #37

I started college in 1965 and I had a roommate who was already into the antiwar movement. Ocelot II Feb 27 #41

I cannot speak for the average American but... 303squadron Feb 27 #66

Don't have to look that far back. haele Feb 27 #8

True! Iraq is probably a much better example 3_Limes Feb 27 #11

I remember discussing in in my "Problems of Democracy" class in High Schol Mossfern Feb 27 #9

LOL Moss popsdenver Feb 27 #47

If there's one thing we've learned, we cannot trust anything JD Vance says. surfered Feb 27 #13

Yes, I remember, MarineCombatEngineer Feb 27 #14

Piece of Cake! BidenRocks Feb 27 #61

Excellent!!! MarineCombatEngineer Feb 27 #64

I hate to even think this MCE popsdenver Feb 27 #92

When they asked me to reenlist or extend my enlistment I was told that they wouldn't send me to Vietnam. Ping Tung Feb 27 #16

From one Marine to another... MarineCombatEngineer Feb 27 #46

There was a general I admired. Remember him? Ping Tung Feb 27 #85

Gen. David M. Shoup, there's a name I haven't heard in ages, MarineCombatEngineer Feb 27 #86

His name just came to my brain while going through this thread. I vaguely recall his name because Ping Tung Feb 27 #91

family legend- mopinko Feb 27 #19

why does they agresser side always say ," it will be over in a few weeKs" but in reality war would last 3/4 years or AllaN01Bear Feb 27 #20

The reason is oil or some other resource. multigraincracker Feb 27 #22

It was quagmire before the US became involved. Layzeebeaver Feb 27 #21

+1 dalton99a Feb 27 #24

The movie We Were Soldiers opening depicts the French defeat at Dien Bien Phu. MarineCombatEngineer Feb 27 #50

We had military advisors in VietNam since the eaerly 50's. patphil Feb 27 #23

I have a number of monographs on the subject. NNadir Feb 27 #26

Errol Morris' documentary "The Fog of War" covers this really well. Ocelot II Feb 27 #28

Not really an answer to your question but... llmart Feb 27 #27

And we'll be greeted as liberators and heroes, right? Xavier Breath Feb 27 #31

Unlike 1965, a large percentage of people know the real reason for this current BS war. Crowman2009 Feb 27 #32

I remember JFK snowybirdie Feb 27 #33

The US had advisors there from the early 50's, including when the French niyad Feb 27 #54

Ah yes Jilly_in_VA Feb 27 #70

I just posted before I saw yours..Eisenhower had advisors in Vietnam at the request of the French Deuxcents Feb 27 #79

Added to that, the most recent protracted wars are still fresh in people's memories. Crowman2009 Feb 27 #35

VOTE. IMPEACH. CHARGE. PROSECUTE. CONVICT. EVERY DAMN ONE OF THESE BUMS! Joinfortmill Feb 27 #42

63-67 so four years. By 67 it was Quagmire. Captain Zero Feb 27 #44

WW II in Europe For The US Was 1 Year: D-Day Was 1944. ColoringFool Feb 27 #49

The American Army's air wing was fighting in Europe long before 1944, nonaa Feb 27 #95

In 1948, Ho Chi Minh came to this country, asking for $3 million and niyad Feb 27 #45

Ho Chi Minh warned America The Wizard Feb 27 #55

And, in the end, we betrayed our allies. The images of April 1975 niyad Feb 27 #65

Yes, Back When It Was Indo-China And France Was The Invader. ColoringFool Feb 27 #48

In the 1950s The Wizard Feb 27 #51

I'm not old enough to remember the beginnings, but I remember the 60's and 70's. mommymarine2003 Feb 27 #57

Same with Afghanistan and Iraq. But we were involved in Vietnam from WWII until the disastrous withdrawal in 1975. ChicagoTeamster Feb 27 #68

Born April 1955 BidenRocks Feb 27 #71

A lot of it started (shit had been going with Vietnam, France, China, and others for 100s of years) with WW II Botany Feb 27 #72

Yes, indeed. MineralMan Feb 27 #74

Truman was already making moves in 1950, well before Eisenhower was even elected. Celerity Feb 27 #89

Thanks. A little before my time, I guess. MineralMan Feb 27 #90

Old enough to proofread as well. rzemanfl Feb 27 #77

Kind of, but Vietnam actually started for the French before the Korean War ended for us. maxrandb Feb 27 #80

Just go back to the Iraq war -- tells you what you need to know mainer Feb 27 #81

I would mark the beginning as 1945 when we supported France's return to their former colony. flashman13 Feb 27 #84

"Trump will put the Navy in harms way in a completely untenable situation in the narrow seas in and around... LudwigPastorius Feb 27 #93

They said Admiral Kacher was not a good fit. I agree with you. He was fired because he told them, "don't attack Iran". flashman13 Feb 27 #103

😮‍💨im old enough, service brat. I remember it like it was yesterday, msfiddlestix Feb 27 #94

Great Book - Fire In The Lake OutNow Feb 27 #98

In 1967 Codifer Feb 27 #99

Old enough but smoked too much pot and drank too much beer. kerry-is-my-prez Feb 27 #100

I'm not quite that old, snot Feb 27 #102