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QueerDuck

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69. Sorry, the comparison to Obama is historically inaccurate.
Fri Feb 20, 2026, 10:09 AM
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There’s a key distinction between Obama’s strategy and the current progressive movement that you are overlooking. Obama didn’t win by moving to the extreme left, instead, he won by building a Big Tent coalition that included moderates, independents, and even disaffected Republicans (remember?)

Unlike AOC (or even Bernie) who primarily energize a progressive base, Obama was viewed by a majority of voters in 2008 as being just-about-right (ideologically) and not "too liberal" to the typical swing-state voters.

You can't win a national election by only speaking to the "hungry" wing of one's own party. We win by making the middle feel safe, which is exactly what Obama did and why others fail. Moving even further left is not the solution that many seem to think it is.

With regard to describing a candidate or a politician as being the "face of the party" or the "future of the party"... while those are flattering compliments, that really isn't the same as being a viable national candidate.

Obama's 2008 brand was "Hope and Change," which was intentionally broad and inclusive. In contrast, AOC and Sanders brand themselves on "Revolution" and "Democratic Socialism." Obviously, this is quite polarizing, and is not a winning message in most of the swing states or battleground states.

Also, if your theory that "AOC easily wins in response to Trump" were true, we would have seen it already with Bernie Sanders. I recall the massive crowds, but in the end, he was unable to expand his base beyond his core ideological supporters when the field cleared in 2020. Yes... Bernie won some primary states, but in the end, he failed to build the broad coalition (specifically with older Black voters and moderate suburbanites). This is something that Obama and his campaign mastered, and it's something that's REQUIRED for a General Election victory.

Obama's rise wasn't simply a response to Bush ... it was ALSO a masterclass in primary math. He won the nomination by out-performing in moderate and swing states. This, I think you'll agree, is something the current progressive stars have yet to prove they can do outside of their home states and outside of safe, deep-blue districts.

In the end, Obama won because he was a candidate who presented a narrative that everyone could relate to. He presented a vision of the future that people could see themselves being a part of. However, extreme candidates (even those who are incorrectly perceived as being "too extreme'') end up becoming a litmus test that half the country ... and much of the Democratic Party ... will inevitably fail.

I agree with you in one regard... there is no denying that AOC is a generational talent. She's spirited, enthusiastic, and a deeply committed Democrat who helps to reshape the party's conversation. Her message resonates powerfully within her own district and the progressive base... however (a big HOWEVER) the transition from a deep-blue New York seat to being successful on the national stage remains a bridge too far.

We need her voice to rally the voters and to gin up support for the party. She'll be great at that.

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AOC did a great job...the usual anti-progressive forces are focusing on a few little flubs Prairie Gates Thursday #1
Senator or President Renew Deal Thursday #7
Pass. This is just wishful thinking for anyone to think she could ever be nominated... QueerDuck Thursday #10
Ending the electoral college is an even bigger fantasy. BannonsLiver Thursday #15
LOL! Neither one is going to happen. QueerDuck Thursday #17
Everything is "unrealistic" Cirsium Thursday #27
Winning is more important that pursuing pipe-dreams. This is a pipe-dream. QueerDuck Thursday #31
Winning what? Cirsium Thursday #42
If you need to ask then there's no point in... QueerDuck Thursday #45
Why post at all? Cirsium Thursday #47
It's a mistake to interpret my unwillingness to play games with you... QueerDuck Friday #62
I'm not sure why you think we should trust your declarations and dismissiveness Ilikepurple Thursday #38
You'll just have to wait and see. Bookmark this thread and come back... QueerDuck Thursday #44
Her getting elected 2 years from now is more likely than eliminating the electoral college Renew Deal Thursday #20
Neither is going to happen. Ever. QueerDuck Thursday #25
We're supposed to be serious and as part of that our priority is eliminating the Electoral College? Renew Deal Thursday #18
Here... please refer to post 17 above. QueerDuck Thursday #24
This sounds like the kind of thing people said about President Obama. A Clearing Friday #60
Sorry, the comparison to Obama is historically inaccurate. QueerDuck Friday #69
I don't disagree with any of that. A Clearing 17 hrs ago #72
Rebecca Solnit has a good take on it. Reader Rabbit Thursday #2
From what I've seen, she stammered a bit while collecting her thoughts, questionseverything Thursday #3
Obama was in a league of his own. PeaceWave Thursday #46
The comment on Venezuela being south of the equator Melon 14 hrs ago #74
She took a minute to think about what she was gonna say before she said it Walleye Thursday #4
It's all over Greg_In_SF Thursday #5
Yup. Just go to YouTube and search for AOC Munich. PeaceWave Thursday #28
I think she froze. n/t Wanderlust988 Thursday #33
Froze? Really? Scrivener7 Thursday #34
Froze? Cirsium Friday #52
She handled it well Renew Deal Thursday #39
If not ignored, it becomes a learning opportunity... PeaceWave Thursday #40
Don't know how many did or would see it Renew Deal Thursday #41
It was a gotcha Cirsium Friday #53
Post again when you find out leftstreet Thursday #6
I bet they're very concerned. Scrivener7 Thursday #32
soooooo concerned Skittles Friday #54
It's hard to imagine it's anything important JBTaurus83 Thursday #8
Today he forgot what country he appointed know-nothing Herschel Walker ambassador to Prairie Gates Thursday #9
I'm fairly sure Walker doesn't know, either susanr516 Thursday #19
She made some brilliant comments about how growing income inequality destabilizes democracies Fiendish Thingy Thursday #11
I know in the "establishment" JBTaurus83 Thursday #14
The US has long had a general commitment to Taiwan's defense Fiendish Thingy Thursday #22
I think the issue is that she's not just ANY member of Congress... PeaceWave Thursday #23
What do then believe the issue is? Torchlight Thursday #29
Particularly considering the long held "strategic ambiguity" policy. Jedi Guy Thursday #35
Definitely valid points JBTaurus83 Thursday #36
Please don't lump AOC with foreign policy stalwarts like Sen. Whitehouse, etc. Wanderlust988 Thursday #49
You just hedged in your own answer Fiendish Thingy Friday #50
My point was she could've dodged the question, but she couldn't even think on the spot. Wanderlust988 Friday #59
It's a layup Renew Deal Friday #63
It is a hard question JBTaurus83 Friday #57
True, but they should have that answer *now*, whatever it is they want to say Ursus Rex Friday #70
She is awesome! RoseTrellis Friday #65
But would any elected politician articulate the US policy as clearly and bluntly as you just did? Fiendish Thingy Friday #71
Looks like they're doing the same thing to her that they did to Hillary and Kamala. W_HAMILTON Thursday #12
It happened. It's not that big a deal. PeaceWave Thursday #13
What happened? Torchlight Thursday #21
She said "um" a few times. But, I mean, she wasn't wearing a tan suit or anything like that. Scrivener7 Thursday #30
Nothing ever happens. ;-) Seeking Serenity Thursday #43
LOL Skittles Friday #55
Maybe Jake Tapper SocialDemocrat61 Thursday #16
She looked incredibly presidential and people loved her SSJVegeta Thursday #26
Post removed Post removed Thursday #37
WTF? Scrivener7 Thursday #48
Perhaps you could refresh your acquaintance with DU's TOS. niyad Friday #58
Really nothing. RandySF Friday #51
here ya go, since you can't seem to find info yourself Skittles Friday #56
Right-wing nothing-scandal. She's the Democratic pick, thumb on scale, for next president, they insist. betsuni Friday #61
If she runs, she will be a major force Renew Deal Friday #64
This message was self-deleted by its author Nixie 15 hrs ago #73
AOC does not "make gaffes" Autumn Friday #66
I wondered the same thing. themaguffin Friday #67
What happened was a group of inferior men wrote some word salad critiques Quiet Em Friday #68
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