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In reply to the discussion: You've probably heard that AI chatbots can completely fabricate quotes. It happened yesterday in a DU thread. [View all]AZJonnie
(3,373 posts)7. I mean it literally sourced from this very thread
Claude's citation for the below text IS the thread that you and I are talking in right now
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Why there are Elias vs Marla versions
When short fiction circulates online, people:
Change character names (Elias → Marla, etc.) to personalize or improve it for their own post.
Edit details like dates or the specific time‑travel instructions to fit a different prompt, meme, or context (e.g., Reddit writing prompts, AI demos).
Let AIs regenerate the same idea, which preserves some lines but changes surface details like names and wording.
Because theres no canonical publication to anchor it, each repost or AI regeneration becomes a version, and they drift apart over time.
Is there an original version?
With no traceable first publication (e.g., an early dated story on a known authors site, magazine, or book), there is no reliably verifiable original here. What youre seeing is a meme‑like text: one early version got popular, and later copies, edits, and AI paraphrases created the Elias, Marla, and altered‑directions variants, none of which can be definitively proven to be the first.
In short: both versions are internet variants of the same micro‑fiction idea, not differing print editions of a book passage, and the differences come from casual edits and AI/reader rewrites rather than from an author‑sanctioned original.
When short fiction circulates online, people:
Change character names (Elias → Marla, etc.) to personalize or improve it for their own post.
Edit details like dates or the specific time‑travel instructions to fit a different prompt, meme, or context (e.g., Reddit writing prompts, AI demos).
Let AIs regenerate the same idea, which preserves some lines but changes surface details like names and wording.
Because theres no canonical publication to anchor it, each repost or AI regeneration becomes a version, and they drift apart over time.
Is there an original version?
With no traceable first publication (e.g., an early dated story on a known authors site, magazine, or book), there is no reliably verifiable original here. What youre seeing is a meme‑like text: one early version got popular, and later copies, edits, and AI paraphrases created the Elias, Marla, and altered‑directions variants, none of which can be definitively proven to be the first.
In short: both versions are internet variants of the same micro‑fiction idea, not differing print editions of a book passage, and the differences come from casual edits and AI/reader rewrites rather than from an author‑sanctioned original.
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You've probably heard that AI chatbots can completely fabricate quotes. It happened yesterday in a DU thread. [View all]
highplainsdem
Feb 13
OP
Lol for fun I asked an AI the reason for the discrepancy and gave it the passage from your post
AZJonnie
Feb 13
#2
Not sure what you mean. It quoted one of my replies in that Science Fiction thread, or it quoted
highplainsdem
Feb 13
#4
Claude is clueless. There is an actual story. I posted links about it in the earlier thread I linked to. There
highplainsdem
Feb 13
#9
It's not surprising that it got confused, this entire discussion is extremely circular
AZJonnie
Feb 13
#13
I would've expected any bot to at least follow the links in both threads, which would have shown that
highplainsdem
Feb 13
#15
Interesting seeing you try to defend Claude's inane answer, when this thread links to the older thread
highplainsdem
Sunday
#19
I guess I am, given you don't know what the actual prompt was, yet are arbitrarily coming up with a strawman
AZJonnie
Sunday
#20
No, the problem using genAI is with genAI and its inherent flaws. Anyone who's ever used genAI should
highplainsdem
Monday
#27
Obviously I know I don't know nearly as much on this topic as you do, so I generally defer, Sir :)
AZJonnie
Feb 13
#14
These tools don't just fabricate fiction. They fabricate citations in law and science pieces.
RockRaven
Feb 13
#6
Yes. I mentioned that in the earlier thread I linked to. I've posted lots of warnings here over the last few years
highplainsdem
Feb 13
#10
+1. AI is essentially a smooth-talking buzzword-spewing bullshitter with an unlimited capacity for plagiarism
dalton99a
Feb 13
#12
When ChatGPT became popular, people said AI systems really need to provide sources.
Renew Deal
Sunday
#24
Thanks - but I wouldn't have caught it if I hadn't already looked at a number of websites about the story so
highplainsdem
Monday
#25