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Sympthsical

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62. Then we really have no say

Fri Feb 6, 2026, 03:21 PM

Feb 6

Because only people whose votes that matter have any say-so in affairs.

So I guess we should zip up and let swing voters hash it out.

Although I suspect the argument is really "You don't matter. Signed, the Committee of Human Shields for Power," which is all any of this stuff ever amounts to. But watching the logic, such as it is, at work and the consequences if you ever follow stray thoughts to their conclusion can be diverting for a spell.

This?

"I don't get a vote on that, and neither does anyone else on DU. So, we have the leadership we have. I may not agree 100% with everything those leaders do, but I support them in their leadership. I assume they know what they're doing better than I do, anyhow."

Is submission. It's undemocratic. It's an abdication of civic responsibility to be frankly honest.

I get that there are people in this world who would welcome authoritarian impulses as long as it wore the right color t-shirt, and their real objection is that it's just not them making their enemies kneel at the moment. And that's . . . whatever it is.

But this deference to the hierarchy has been our mode of operating for my entire life. Literally at least 40 years.

How's it working out so far? The country in a great place with all that deference?

People are actually campaigning for "Keep doing what we've been doing!" And then wonder why voters under 50 are like, "Are they fucking serious? Jesus fucking Christ, how bad does it have to fucking get before it registers with you people?"

The fact we are where we are and still asking that question is . . . real special. But hey. Age is inevitable. Wisdom is not.

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How Can Schumer and Jeffries Be Our Congressional Leaders? [View all] MineralMan Feb 6 OP

Nope Abstractartist Feb 6 #1

I kind of don't think that's going to happen. MineralMan Feb 6 #5

You answered your own questions, gab13by13 Feb 6 #2

I don't follow NY politics, so I can't say. MineralMan Feb 6 #4

She beats him handily in polls. CivicGrief Feb 6 #59

What does she have going for her, really? Orrex Feb 7 #78

Abolish ICE Prairie Gates Feb 6 #3

Crack that whip. We might not get a vote but we sure as fuck get to have an opinion. Autumn Feb 6 #6

Of course you can have an opinion. MineralMan Feb 6 #7

Oh of course. Autumn Feb 6 #8

Our time is finite and every minute you spend criticizing Democrats is a minute Republicans thank you for your service. W_HAMILTON Feb 6 #52

Lol! As I've said before, shit won't stir itself. Scrivener7 Feb 6 #9

200 response clout is a rush, doncha know? Prairie Gates Feb 6 #17

It takes a big paddle to get it stirred. Autumn Feb 6 #19

Good question BeyondGeography Feb 6 #10

Republicans are laughing at Democrats' commitment to rules and decorum DSandra Feb 6 #15

We get it awesomerwb1 Feb 6 #11

What I think is irrelevant. MineralMan Feb 6 #12

Indeed it is awesomerwb1 Feb 6 #13

I doubt there will be such a thread. MineralMan Feb 6 #22

Has any democratic senator or representative SocialDemocrat61 Feb 6 #14

I don't know the answer to that question. MineralMan Feb 6 #20

I don't know of any SocialDemocrat61 Feb 6 #24

That's what I thought, too. MineralMan Feb 6 #26

Have they? SocialDemocrat61 Feb 6 #29

Dem. Reps Ro Khanna and Seth Moulton have called for Schumer to relinquish his position. LudwigPastorius Feb 6 #55

Thanks SocialDemocrat61 Feb 6 #58

Imagine if Britain kept Neville Chamberlain than replace him with Winston Churchill... DSandra Feb 6 #16

Which is why I support replacing SocialDemocrat61 Feb 6 #25

I'm talking about Democratic Party leadership of course DSandra Feb 6 #39

But we don't have a parliamentary system SocialDemocrat61 Feb 6 #42

Your just making excuses, like the OP DSandra Feb 6 #49

No SocialDemocrat61 Feb 6 #50

Trump's popular with MAGA Sympthsical Feb 6 #18

But we all do vote for President of the U.S. SocialDemocrat61 Feb 6 #31

I live in California. Sympthsical Feb 6 #53

I live in New York SocialDemocrat61 Feb 6 #57

Then we really have no say Sympthsical Feb 6 #62

Unfortunately voters in swing states SocialDemocrat61 Feb 6 #66

This is DU. We are all Democrats here. MineralMan Feb 6 #36

You're promoting submissive voicelessness to power Sympthsical Feb 6 #54

I'm doing no such thing. MineralMan Feb 6 #60

Oh yes, you are. Sympthsical Feb 6 #63

Trump is also in office because people vote for him regardless of the criticism. W_HAMILTON Feb 6 #56

Is morale not improving? Sympthsical Feb 6 #64

Judging from the incessant criticism of Democrats, nope. W_HAMILTON Feb 6 #65

Two guys from Brooklyn, we do get to vote for the guys who vote for them as leaders. Walleye Feb 6 #21

That's exactly how it works. MineralMan Feb 6 #23

That is true and correct Walleye Feb 6 #27

Like you say, i will always believe the citizens in THEIR District bluestarone Feb 6 #28

Yes. That is the basis of our entire system of government. MineralMan Feb 6 #32

Yea, just saying division will kill us, that's what rethugs are hoping. bluestarone Feb 6 #37

But that's because of party leadership's failure to meet the moment, not miscellaneus squabbles DSandra Feb 6 #40

Ah, the daily gaslighting thread. Gore1FL Feb 6 #30

What was incorrect in my OP? MineralMan Feb 6 #33

The facts were fine. The logic, illogical. Gore1FL Feb 6 #69

How did he become minority leader. MineralMan Feb 6 #71

Yes. There was, at least. Gore1FL Feb 6 #73

AND sea lioning! Efficiency! Scrivener7 Feb 6 #41

What is sea lioning? mr715 Feb 6 #67

This is the best definition I've found. Scrivener7 Feb 7 #79

I was trying to be cute. mr715 Feb 7 #80

I agree! They're my favorite at the zoo! Scrivener7 Feb 7 #81

A factual explanation about Democratic leadership needs a trigger warning. betsuni Feb 6 #34

A tip of my hat to you. MineralMan Feb 6 #35

Two words: Wall Street DJ Synikus Makisimus Feb 6 #38

Here's where it falls apart Bobstandard Feb 6 #43

Absslutely This is exactly right. That long in office and making as much money as they make Autumn Feb 6 #48

There's a process to remove them as leaders without them losing their seats PJMcK Feb 6 #44

My grandfather use to say SocialDemocrat61 Feb 6 #45

I appreciate your rational, factual posts. murielm99 Feb 6 #46

Thank you. I try to do that. MineralMan Feb 6 #47

If you look at polls of "favorability" ratings,... LudwigPastorius Feb 6 #51

I'm not really sure what such ratings mean at that level. MineralMan Feb 6 #61

Party leaders in the House and Senate matter to all Americans, or surely party members Ilikepurple Feb 7 #75

Are those national polls SocialDemocrat61 Feb 6 #68

I'm looking at aggregations of national polls. LudwigPastorius Feb 6 #74

National polls are interesting SocialDemocrat61 Feb 7 #76

There is a primary opponent for Jeffries...now Demsrule86 Feb 6 #70

A few months old and the campaign hasn't started yet SocialDemocrat61 Feb 6 #72

They are indeed the leadership that we're stuck with. Orrex Feb 7 #77