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Cirsium

(3,664 posts)
42. Thanks
Thu Feb 5, 2026, 07:13 PM
Thursday

Thanks for the thoughtful post.

I don’t disagree with your arithmetic, or with the description of what is procedurally achievable in this Congress. Where I disagree is with the premise that legitimacy should be granted or reinforced simply because an institution is currently unavoidable. Some lines are not drawn because they can be enacted today, but because failing to draw them normalizes what should never be treated as acceptable. Reform can save lives in the short term, yes — but it can also entrench structures that are abusive by design and make deeper change harder, not easier, over time.

Rustin was right that movements need concrete demands, but he was writing in a period when institutions were expanding rights, not contracting them, and when legitimacy itself was not the central question. In moments like this, opposition is not a substitute for governing — it is a necessary precursor to any governing worth defending. I’m not confusing agitation with action; I’m arguing that without moral boundary-setting, action collapses into management of harm. What we choose to legitimize now shapes what becomes thinkable later, regardless of what passes this session.

History is full of moments where "what was achievable" preserved institutions that later proved catastrophic. The question isn’t whether reforms might save some lives now — it’s whether they entrench a structure that will take many more later. That’s the risk I’m naming.

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You have details on that? MineralMan Thursday #1
Gone from "no masks" to "no masks except when..." mr715 Thursday #10
No mention of the rest of their positions, eh? MineralMan Thursday #11
Posted it right there in the title. Did you miss it? mr715 Thursday #12
Of Course, It's Not a "Full Retreat" Why So Negative on our Dems? Cha Thursday #35
House leadership Cirsium Thursday #13
How is it caving if it wasn't on the table? leftstreet Thursday #2
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Oh. I never saw that in their statements n/t leftstreet Thursday #6
leadership's position now Cirsium Thursday #14
Sen. Schumer said today bigtree Thursday #28
That isn't the issue Cirsium Thursday #36
no, what you're saying isn't the issue here bigtree Thursday #39
Thanks Cirsium Thursday #42
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Schumer and Jeffries are fine politicians leftstreet Thursday #8
Capriciousness? Cirsium Thursday #15
Anti-Schumer & Jeffries Knee-jerk Syndrome. betsuni Thursday #16
We can't seem to win Just_Vote_Dem Thursday #17
Again and again, Democrats do what people say they want. Then it's not what they want. betsuni Thursday #20
Keep normalizing the indefensible mr715 Thursday #18
Keep what, now? betsuni Thursday #22
poster looks to be advocating 'defending the indefensible' bigtree Thursday #25
Quick question... EarlG Thursday #31
They should be required to identify themselves. mr715 Thursday #32
From this, my understanding is EarlG Thursday #33
That I am not Schumer or Jeffries mr715 Thursday #34
Got it EarlG Thursday #37
This is a perfect articulation of my thoughts on this. mr715 Thursday #38
Thanks EarlG Thursday #43
I Appreciate your thoughts on Clarifying What Huff Past Cha Thursday #40
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betsuni Isn't "normalizing" Anything, nt Cha Thursday #47
The correct context is: Masks. Ice wearing masks. Duncan Grant Thursday #21
... orangecrush Thursday #5
LINK? justaprogressive Thursday #7
Quick search, but from yesterday. Maybe something changed. mr715 Thursday #9
really poor journalism in that Huffpo clickbait bigtree Thursday #26
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