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Cirsium

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85. Leadership's position

Thu Feb 5, 2026, 12:06 PM

16 hrs ago

“I think there’s agreement that no masks should be deployed in an arbitrary and capricious fashion, as has been the case, horrifying the American people,” Jeffries said.

Pretty clear.

What about warrantless arrests, random stops, racial profiling, beatings, extrajudicial detention, executions, denial of due process "deployed in an arbitrary and capricious fashion, as has been the case, horrifying the American people?"

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Masked ICE agents might be okay, says Dem leadership [View all] mr715 Wednesday OP

Anytime I see Dems soften their demands I kacekwl Wednesday #1

Sadly, neither am I ...incredibly disappointed but not Phoenix61 Wednesday #6

And this is before any negotiations. They're just smacking their own selves in the ass. Scrivener7 Wednesday #51

The OP Left Out This Part.. WHY? Cha Yesterday #61

Yeah, I was looking for the "softening" but I couldn't find much. Sounds like they all want masks off. travelingthrulife 19 hrs ago #69

They'll claim its a 'special circumstance' every time. sboatcar 16 hrs ago #79

Yeah, again, we know the plot here. mr715 16 hrs ago #80

I don't think equivocating sends the right message. Do the republicans ever equivocate like that? Crunchy Frog 15 hrs ago #90

Scream bloody murder, "No, you're wrong!" Biophilic Wednesday #2

There is no need for this military style look. pwb Wednesday #3

Sure, but these guys are signing up so they can finally use all the "Tactical" costumes AZJonnie Yesterday #62

You think they need jocks mr715 16 hrs ago #82

About right...start negotiations at the bare minimum Bettie Wednesday #4

Our leaders like their little club. mr715 Wednesday #16

No it's not! You're wrong! MustLoveBeagles Wednesday #5

I don't think they are. Did you read this part, Beagles.. Cha Wednesday #39

I must've missed it MustLoveBeagles Wednesday #44

Yes. The leaders said it, and the two of them had to politely walk it back. Why did they say it in the first place? Scrivener7 16 hrs ago #81

Which makes one wonder... mr715 16 hrs ago #84

Leadership's position Cirsium 16 hrs ago #85

Shameful and unacceptable Fiendish Thingy Wednesday #7

The masks were a big ask. They are tempering it down. underpants Wednesday #8

If agents of the executive authority are unwilling to show their face mr715 Wednesday #10

Did you read this part?.. Details... Cha Wednesday #38

I saw that "80%" post, but gave it zero credibility. sl8 Wednesday #43

Isn't that the goal here ? kacekwl Wednesday #59

No shit. Iggo 14 hrs ago #91

"...no masks, except in extraordinary and unusual circumstances." flvegan Wednesday #9

It wasn't an unreasonable ask. mr715 Wednesday #11

Agreed 👍 MustLoveBeagles Wednesday #21

Just gross capitulation NewHendoLib Wednesday #12

Disgusting and unacceptable. mr715 Wednesday #13

Dem Leadership is montanacowboy Wednesday #14

I want everyone to understand that Dems have 100% leverage right now on DHS Prairie Gates Wednesday #15

It isn't "not a good start". It is a betrayal. mr715 Wednesday #17

WTF????? bluestarone Wednesday #18

If ICE is indeed to be defined as "law enforcement", then they need to act like all other law enforcement. hamsterjill Wednesday #19

Agree 100%. mr715 Wednesday #20

ICE wears whatever they buy themselves Bettie Wednesday #25

You are exactly right! hamsterjill Wednesday #41

Principles, Morals, even common human decency is negotiable under Trump and Ping Tung Wednesday #22

Are they though? mr715 Wednesday #23

Quick, everyone react to the headline and don't bother reading the details! FascismIsDeath Wednesday #24

You don't think it is problematic mr715 Wednesday #26

I think we should be honest, open and spell out exactly what we want from the get go, with as many details as possible. FascismIsDeath Wednesday #27

I can only speak for myself. mr715 Wednesday #30

There are times when we all need to cover our face for some reason. FascismIsDeath Wednesday #36

They're murdering people in the streets. And now, thanks to our own leaders shooting us Scrivener7 19 hrs ago #66

You're one of those "watched too many movies" people I was talking about FascismIsDeath 19 hrs ago #67

No. I'm one of those people who has actually conducted negotiations and who understands the Scrivener7 18 hrs ago #71

Labor leader? mr715 16 hrs ago #73

No. I've had two careers. In the first I was with a company that was doing a lot of acquisitions Scrivener7 16 hrs ago #76

Well despite all that, you obviously didn't learn about pre-emptive argumentation or proactive objection handling. FascismIsDeath 6 hrs ago #95

My honored friend, Scrivener, is a clear and original thinker. mr715 16 hrs ago #77

I am going to continue to dismiss it because of the concepts I mentioned to that person, that they are ignoring. FascismIsDeath 6 hrs ago #96

Because sometimes exceptions apply. Jedi Guy Wednesday #56

And why are we putting DeLauro and Murphy in a position that they have to Scrivener7 19 hrs ago #65

Distributive blame. mr715 16 hrs ago #75

It would depend on the exceptions EdmondDantes_ Wednesday #37

If the end result is, "follow the same protocols as regular ass police officers tend to do", its a huge difference. FascismIsDeath Wednesday #49

That's certainly one possibility. EdmondDantes_ 19 hrs ago #68

Theres nothing congress can do about that other than impeach people. FascismIsDeath 19 hrs ago #70

They can cut funding. mr715 16 hrs ago #74

If you actually read what I was responding to: FascismIsDeath 6 hrs ago #94

Negotiations haven't even started and they're backing down. If, after they sit at the table Scrivener7 Wednesday #52

Or we could just abolish ICE and then we don't have to worry about masks WhiskeyGrinder Wednesday #28

We will be a better Country when we have Democrats controlling the WH and Congress. OAITW r.2.0 Wednesday #29

Also mr715 Wednesday #33

The devil is in the details, without which this should be a NO. Raven123 Wednesday #31

Only fund unmasked agents bucolic_frolic Wednesday #32

No guns/weapons if you need a mask. mr715 Wednesday #34

I Hope Everyone is Contacting Them Cha Wednesday #35

We are not cartels, drug lords or the sort. We're everyday citizens, children being terrorized. Deuxcents Wednesday #50

Nooooo! There is no reason for masked law enforcement other than to avoid accountability! surfered Wednesday #40

Not this shit again Blue Owl Wednesday #42

He's technically right, but, I'm not sure the 0.01% of situations that require a mask are worth mentioning. Oneironaut Wednesday #45

Milquetoasts will always waffle over tiny details as fascists steamroll ahead Mysterian Wednesday #46

I don't see republicans making any concessions before negotiations begin about ICE not murdering Americans. Scrivener7 Wednesday #53

No! They are *NOT* OK under any circumstances! Initech Wednesday #47

ICE's goal is to terrorize. Wearing masks helps accomplish this. IcyPeas Wednesday #48

What is WRONG with our party leadership? EnergizedLib Wednesday #54

Consultants and entitlement mr715 Wednesday #55

Fuck that noise . . . hatrack Wednesday #57

I don't think people appreciate how bad modern tech is gulliver Wednesday #58

A street gang is your worry? aocommunalpunch 22 hrs ago #63

So you think they SHOULD be masked? That's what you're saying? And you're saying that, with a budget Scrivener7 20 hrs ago #64

Guess what? This could happen to any of us. pinkstarburst 14 hrs ago #93

Nope. And disarm them. Hassler Yesterday #60

Ho sweet of them. Autumn 18 hrs ago #72

What the actual fuck? yankee87 16 hrs ago #78

No. Iggo 16 hrs ago #83

When is it ever okay? C_U_L8R 15 hrs ago #86

NEVER! Jilly_in_VA 15 hrs ago #87

Every time I hear about Dems caving CanonRay 15 hrs ago #88

I ain't gonna click alert. mr715 15 hrs ago #89

We need new leadership pinkstarburst 14 hrs ago #92

'Republican leaders' should start wearing masks THEMSELVES---- Jack Valentino 5 hrs ago #97