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EnergizedLib

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133. IF we win both or even just one chamber

Wed Feb 4, 2026, 11:30 PM

Feb 4

We MUST have new leadership. For all I care, Schumer and Jeffries can keep their jobs, but they absolutely CANNOT have leadership.

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Chuck Schumer: Democrats want commonsense reform for ICE: [View all] demmiblue Feb 4 OP

Drive more twenty somethings away from the party chuckles JT45242 Feb 4 #1

Why is he still in Leadership? Why is it so hard to replace bad leadership? Ars Longa Feb 4 #105

Yes common sense reforms for the slave patrol gestapo racist militia LuvLoogie Feb 4 #2

Yeah, make them less Nazish? Swede Feb 4 #3

Maybe we could dress them in pink tutus, yellow dahlia Feb 4 #76

"abide by the same rules as local police." Johnny2X2X Feb 4 #4

Are you sure about that? MichMan Feb 4 #49

No, Chuck. We want ICE & ALL OF DHS ABOLISHED! SheltieLover Feb 4 #5

Exactly cally Feb 4 #28

And DHS, Dubya's post-911 nightmare creation. SheltieLover Feb 4 #56

They are bdamomma Feb 4 #37

Hear! Hear! yellow dahlia Feb 4 #77

AGREE ! republianmushroom Feb 4 #48

Post removed Post removed Feb 4 #6

This Democrat want's ICE fucking abolished. Maybe Chuck should push for something that Autumn Feb 4 #7

It's a good start SocialDemocrat61 Feb 4 #8

WTF Scrivener7 Feb 4 #11

This 😎 SocialDemocrat61 Feb 4 #18

Ivory Tower thinking is what got us into this mess. littlemissmartypants Feb 4 #40

My objection to the quote came from the fact that it is usually used to say, "Accept less." In most Scrivener7 Feb 4 #54

Trying to play nice is Chuck's default mode. And you are correct - yellow dahlia Feb 4 #82

"Playing nice" mr715 Feb 4 #92

No charisma. And indeed compromised. yellow dahlia Feb 4 #99

oh how true. choie Feb 4 #131

Exactly SocialDemocrat61 Feb 4 #61

Yeah, we saw how well defund the police worked for our side. Abolish ICE is another stinker slogan. beaglelover Feb 4 #101

I completely disagree. mr715 Feb 4 #117

Yeah but also don't let the good be the enemy of the better. Iggo Feb 4 #126

Very true SocialDemocrat61 Feb 4 #127

How many WTF's can we use in a day? yellow dahlia Feb 4 #80

So, if they contain themselves to teargas and beatings LearnedHand Feb 4 #73

Nice strawman argument SocialDemocrat61 Feb 4 #78

Cool, so heads cracked open better than death. Win win! durablend Feb 4 #88

Another great straw man SocialDemocrat61 Feb 4 #89

Exactly. yellow dahlia Feb 4 #83

You know what else helps Republicans? Bettie Feb 4 #119

Every journey begins SocialDemocrat61 Feb 4 #120

All too often it feels like that single step Bettie Feb 4 #122

Then maybe we should work SocialDemocrat61 Feb 4 #123

This is the perfect response. mr715 Feb 4 #132

Hey Chuckles BluenFLA Feb 4 #9

That's the wrong approach, gab13by13 Feb 4 #13

I'm good with border patrol for the most part. Fuck ICE and fuck reforming that bullshit Gestapo. Autumn Feb 4 #15

Krasnov, well Miller, gab13by13 Feb 4 #19

Border patrol existed long before Trumps ICE. Autumn Feb 4 #20

But he will negotiate it with a stern tone. yellow dahlia Feb 4 #84

Ice really needs to go, though. We don't have to state that we're doing it, but we can take a Scrivener7 Feb 4 #17

Yes exactly, gab13by13 Feb 4 #22

THIS! yellow dahlia Feb 4 #86

Fuck the MSM and ICE orangecrush Feb 4 #52

Vichy bdamomma Feb 4 #38

Schumer BeClowns himself everyday. 617Blue Feb 4 #10

You need to be more specific Chuck, gab13by13 Feb 4 #12

The only effective means to reform ICE is to replace its management Martin Eden Feb 4 #14

not going to happen gab13by13 Feb 4 #24

There really doesn't exist any leverage to defund ICE. LudwigPastorius Feb 4 #90

Missing the target. Kid Berwyn Feb 4 #16

Thomas Paine wrote a pamphlet called "Common Sense". Ping Tung Feb 4 #21

This. I think we need to reprint Common Sense and give it away as a free gift for the 250th. ! n/t Cheezoholic Feb 4 #33

THIS! yellow dahlia Feb 4 #87

THIS orangecrush Feb 4 #60

Thomas Paine is one of my favorite purveyor of words. yellow dahlia Feb 4 #103

"Sure, Senator, you can order milk and toast, but are you sure nothing else interests you?" JHB Feb 4 #23

To the "Abolish ICE" folks, here's the problem EarlG Feb 4 #25

+1 But Schumer shouldn't be the one making this case leftstreet Feb 4 #26

I don't disagree with that EarlG Feb 4 #27

Thank you EarlG bdamomma Feb 4 #43

"Repeal and replace ICE" - excellent. yellow dahlia Feb 4 #106

Bingo, gab13by13 Feb 4 #34

I hadn't read your comment yet, gab... yellow dahlia Feb 4 #107

I want them to abolish their Ivory Tower approach. littlemissmartypants Feb 4 #44

That could be a picture Jilly_in_VA Feb 4 #47

Exactly--and well said. Look how well "defund the police" went from a political standpoint. Ol Janx Spirit Feb 4 #50

Sorry, don't need this. orangecrush Feb 4 #57

Yes. yellow dahlia Feb 4 #108

I guess I'm not seeing the whole puncture orangecrush Feb 4 #63

I'm with you on that EarlG Feb 4 #110

Incremental change orangecrush Feb 4 #115

Thanks for the cogent thoughts for thought. yellow dahlia Feb 4 #104

"They'll behave if we treat them nice" ... Neville Chamberlain. usonian Feb 4 #29

Just like Barney Fife ....no masks, no bullets! surfered Feb 4 #30

Could he possibly sound any more milquetoast? How about "ICE as out of control and needs shutdown or massive overhaul." kysrsoze Feb 4 #31

Call it what it is - yes. yellow dahlia Feb 4 #109

Talk about wishy washy lol n/t Cheezoholic Feb 4 #32

At least the powder is still dry. flvegan Feb 4 #35

Like talcum powder orangecrush Feb 4 #55

Just as important, get rid of all the military crap they wear. patphil Feb 4 #36

Gather the bdamomma Feb 4 #45

Good start on a list. yellow dahlia Feb 4 #111

Memo to Schumer: AverageOldGuy Feb 4 #39

You need to write it more sternly. yellow dahlia Feb 4 #112

DHS & ICE were created solely to sweep W's massive f*** up known as 9/11 under the rug. Crowman2009 Feb 4 #41

Someone in DHS Jilly_in_VA Feb 4 #42

Exactly. mr715 Feb 4 #46

+1 orangecrush Feb 4 #65

I'm with you, J in VA. yellow dahlia Feb 4 #113

You can't "fix" the gestapo, Chuck orangecrush Feb 4 #51

You fix it by burning it down and salting the earth. mr715 Feb 4 #72

Would abolishing ICE mean an end to all deportations? MichMan Feb 4 #53

No. We have had deportations since our country began. ICE is 20 years old. Scrivener7 Feb 4 #58

Wasn't sure how it was done before ICE MichMan Feb 4 #64

Historically a lot of agencies have been invested with these powers mr715 Feb 4 #71

I do, it was called the INS. Crowman2009 Feb 4 #96

Democrats need common sense leadership mr715 Feb 4 #59

I think we can SAY our position is reform, but I hope our leaders know we want that reform to Scrivener7 Feb 4 #62

Someone with a pot conviction 30 years ago that is now working for the federal government should be fired? MichMan Feb 4 #67

As always, your response says a lot. Scrivener7 Feb 4 #68

You said " the firing of anyone with a criminal record" MichMan Feb 4 #69

Have a lovely day, dear. Scrivener7 Feb 4 #79

Yeah, reforms can cut to the bone. mr715 Feb 4 #70

"need to be at the center of a conversation while saying absolutely nothing" yellow dahlia Feb 4 #121

Effective OC375 Feb 4 #66

No Chuck, we want you to pour salt on it. We WANT it destroyed. Volaris Feb 4 #74

Chuck Schumer is not the problem MorbidButterflyTat Feb 4 #75

I don't hate Schumer. Like the board on my deck that needs to be replaced because it no longer fits Autumn Feb 4 #85

This is exactly, exactly the way to approach this. mr715 Feb 4 #91

"By whom?" Bernie Sanders responded to that same question when it was asked to him. W_HAMILTON Feb 4 #93

Senator Murphy seems to want the gig. mr715 Feb 4 #94

Can you point me to where he has called on Schumer to step down and/or announced he was challenging him a leader? W_HAMILTON Feb 4 #135

Blame the voters, a great way to being an eternal minority. mr715 Thursday #143

It's called educating the voters and the reason for doing so is that they don't make the same mistake again. W_HAMILTON Thursday #145

You keep asking this. I'd concur that Murphy would be my choice, but there are a number who would do well. Scrivener7 Feb 4 #97

Because I, like Sanders and most Democratic Senators, realize that changing leadership... W_HAMILTON Feb 4 #134

But, from your posts, you don't seem to think Scrivener7 Thursday #136

Oh come now... mr715 Thursday #141

Because there isn't much that can be done. W_HAMILTON Thursday #144

So is there anything you think is worthwhile to do now? Or will you continue to try and convince us that Scrivener7 Thursday #147

What is being done now is something that can be done. W_HAMILTON Thursday #148

What are you referring to? The partial shutdown? Haven't you argued that a shutdown is futile? Scrivener7 Thursday #150

"Abolish Schumer" anger-fests seem very addicting. Need that fix! betsuni Feb 4 #95

Maybe Marjorie Taylor Greene could replace Chuck! MorbidButterflyTat Feb 4 #114

Who here is supporting Greene? mr715 Feb 4 #116

Can you link to any posts here that are supporting her? It seems like another of those Scrivener7 Feb 4 #130

Don't wait for a link, you will be waiting forever. No one here supports MTG Autumn Thursday #138

Is this your way of saying she should? Because I'm sure not one soul here is looking for that. Autumn Thursday #137

I shall take your silence as a confession mr715 Thursday #139

He is right on this. Just like those who thought defund the police was a winning issue, it isn't. lostincalifornia Feb 4 #81

The reality is that there will have to be some arm of the federal government that enforces immigration law. Jedi Guy Feb 4 #98

Here's the thing, though mr715 Feb 4 #118

Chuck Schumer is not the leader required in this time. yellow dahlia Feb 4 #100

Jeezus, Chuck, wake up. It's an attempted coup Joinfortmill Feb 4 #102

Wrong answer, Chuck. travelingthrulife Feb 4 #124

I try so hard to support all Democrats MustLoveBeagles Feb 4 #125

He did not ask me. LoisB Feb 4 #128

Enough "common sense." Abolish DHS. DJ Synikus Makisimus Feb 4 #129

IF we win both or even just one chamber EnergizedLib Feb 4 #133

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You're really stupid aren't you? KS Toronado Thursday #142

How can we make sound policy when living in fear of GOP focus group results? Kid Berwyn Thursday #146

For Some God Knows What Reason, Too Many Democratic Leaders Like To..... ColoringFool Thursday #149