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Scrivener7

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53. I don't see republicans making any concessions before negotiations begin about ICE not murdering Americans.

Wed Feb 4, 2026, 10:43 PM

15 hrs ago

Or kidnapping children or illegally invading people's houses with no warrant. THAT would be common sense.

Why are we making ANY concessions in the media before we are asked to?

It's just ridiculous.

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Masked ICE agents might be okay, says Dem leadership [View all] mr715 18 hrs ago OP

Anytime I see Dems soften their demands I kacekwl 18 hrs ago #1

Sadly, neither am I ...incredibly disappointed but not Phoenix61 18 hrs ago #6

And this is before any negotiations. They're just smacking their own selves in the ass. Scrivener7 15 hrs ago #51

The OP Left Out This Part.. WHY? Cha 13 hrs ago #61

Yeah, I was looking for the "softening" but I couldn't find much. Sounds like they all want masks off. travelingthrulife 5 hrs ago #69

They'll claim its a 'special circumstance' every time. sboatcar 2 hrs ago #79

Yeah, again, we know the plot here. mr715 2 hrs ago #80

I don't think equivocating sends the right message. Do the republicans ever equivocate like that? Crunchy Frog 1 hr ago #90

Scream bloody murder, "No, you're wrong!" Biophilic 18 hrs ago #2

There is no need for this military style look. pwb 18 hrs ago #3

Sure, but these guys are signing up so they can finally use all the "Tactical" costumes AZJonnie 12 hrs ago #62

You think they need jocks mr715 2 hrs ago #82

About right...start negotiations at the bare minimum Bettie 18 hrs ago #4

Our leaders like their little club. mr715 18 hrs ago #16

No it's not! You're wrong! MustLoveBeagles 18 hrs ago #5

I don't think they are. Did you read this part, Beagles.. Cha 17 hrs ago #39

I must've missed it MustLoveBeagles 16 hrs ago #44

Yes. The leaders said it, and the two of them had to politely walk it back. Why did they say it in the first place? Scrivener7 2 hrs ago #81

Which makes one wonder... mr715 1 hr ago #84

Leadership's position Cirsium 1 hr ago #85

Shameful and unacceptable Fiendish Thingy 18 hrs ago #7

The masks were a big ask. They are tempering it down. underpants 18 hrs ago #8

If agents of the executive authority are unwilling to show their face mr715 18 hrs ago #10

Did you read this part?.. Details... Cha 17 hrs ago #38

I saw that "80%" post, but gave it zero credibility. sl8 17 hrs ago #43

Isn't that the goal here ? kacekwl 14 hrs ago #59

No shit. Iggo 28 min ago #91

"...no masks, except in extraordinary and unusual circumstances." flvegan 18 hrs ago #9

It wasn't an unreasonable ask. mr715 18 hrs ago #11

Agreed 👍 MustLoveBeagles 17 hrs ago #21

Just gross capitulation NewHendoLib 18 hrs ago #12

Disgusting and unacceptable. mr715 18 hrs ago #13

Dem Leadership is montanacowboy 18 hrs ago #14

I want everyone to understand that Dems have 100% leverage right now on DHS Prairie Gates 18 hrs ago #15

It isn't "not a good start". It is a betrayal. mr715 18 hrs ago #17

WTF????? bluestarone 18 hrs ago #18

If ICE is indeed to be defined as "law enforcement", then they need to act like all other law enforcement. hamsterjill 18 hrs ago #19

Agree 100%. mr715 18 hrs ago #20

ICE wears whatever they buy themselves Bettie 17 hrs ago #25

You are exactly right! hamsterjill 17 hrs ago #41

Principles, Morals, even common human decency is negotiable under Trump and Ping Tung 17 hrs ago #22

Are they though? mr715 17 hrs ago #23

Quick, everyone react to the headline and don't bother reading the details! FascismIsDeath 17 hrs ago #24

You don't think it is problematic mr715 17 hrs ago #26

I think we should be honest, open and spell out exactly what we want from the get go, with as many details as possible. FascismIsDeath 17 hrs ago #27

I can only speak for myself. mr715 17 hrs ago #30

There are times when we all need to cover our face for some reason. FascismIsDeath 17 hrs ago #36

They're murdering people in the streets. And now, thanks to our own leaders shooting us Scrivener7 5 hrs ago #66

You're one of those "watched too many movies" people I was talking about FascismIsDeath 5 hrs ago #67

No. I'm one of those people who has actually conducted negotiations and who understands the Scrivener7 4 hrs ago #71

Labor leader? mr715 2 hrs ago #73

No. I've had two careers. In the first I was with a company that was doing a lot of acquisitions Scrivener7 2 hrs ago #76

My honored friend, Scrivener, is a clear and original thinker. mr715 2 hrs ago #77

Because sometimes exceptions apply. Jedi Guy 14 hrs ago #56

And why are we putting DeLauro and Murphy in a position that they have to Scrivener7 5 hrs ago #65

Distributive blame. mr715 2 hrs ago #75

It would depend on the exceptions EdmondDantes_ 17 hrs ago #37

If the end result is, "follow the same protocols as regular ass police officers tend to do", its a huge difference. FascismIsDeath 16 hrs ago #49

That's certainly one possibility. EdmondDantes_ 5 hrs ago #68

Theres nothing congress can do about that other than impeach people. FascismIsDeath 5 hrs ago #70

They can cut funding. mr715 2 hrs ago #74

Negotiations haven't even started and they're backing down. If, after they sit at the table Scrivener7 15 hrs ago #52

Or we could just abolish ICE and then we don't have to worry about masks WhiskeyGrinder 17 hrs ago #28

We will be a better Country when we have Democrats controlling the WH and Congress. OAITW r.2.0 17 hrs ago #29

Also mr715 17 hrs ago #33

The devil is in the details, without which this should be a NO. Raven123 17 hrs ago #31

Only fund unmasked agents bucolic_frolic 17 hrs ago #32

No guns/weapons if you need a mask. mr715 17 hrs ago #34

I Hope Everyone is Contacting Them Cha 17 hrs ago #35

We are not cartels, drug lords or the sort. We're everyday citizens, children being terrorized. Deuxcents 16 hrs ago #50

Nooooo! There is no reason for masked law enforcement other than to avoid accountability! surfered 17 hrs ago #40

Not this shit again Blue Owl 17 hrs ago #42

He's technically right, but, I'm not sure the 0.01% of situations that require a mask are worth mentioning. Oneironaut 16 hrs ago #45

Milquetoasts will always waffle over tiny details as fascists steamroll ahead Mysterian 16 hrs ago #46

I don't see republicans making any concessions before negotiations begin about ICE not murdering Americans. Scrivener7 15 hrs ago #53

No! They are *NOT* OK under any circumstances! Initech 16 hrs ago #47

ICE's goal is to terrorize. Wearing masks helps accomplish this. IcyPeas 16 hrs ago #48

What is WRONG with our party leadership? EnergizedLib 14 hrs ago #54

Consultants and entitlement mr715 14 hrs ago #55

Fuck that noise . . . hatrack 14 hrs ago #57

I don't think people appreciate how bad modern tech is gulliver 14 hrs ago #58

A street gang is your worry? aocommunalpunch 7 hrs ago #63

So you think they SHOULD be masked? That's what you're saying? And you're saying that, with a budget Scrivener7 6 hrs ago #64

Guess what? This could happen to any of us. pinkstarburst 15 min ago #93

Nope. And disarm them. Hassler 13 hrs ago #60

Ho sweet of them. Autumn 4 hrs ago #72

What the actual fuck? yankee87 2 hrs ago #78

No. Iggo 1 hr ago #83

When is it ever okay? C_U_L8R 1 hr ago #86

NEVER! Jilly_in_VA 1 hr ago #87

Every time I hear about Dems caving CanonRay 1 hr ago #88

I ain't gonna click alert. mr715 1 hr ago #89

We need new leadership pinkstarburst 20 min ago #92