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mr715

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23. Are they though?

Wed Feb 4, 2026, 08:14 PM

Feb 4

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If one cuts their decency in half, are they half as decent? Or are they just indecent, full stop.

If one is willing to capitulate on irreducible matters of truth and justice, they never were righteous.

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Masked ICE agents might be okay, says Dem leadership [View all] mr715 Feb 4 OP

Anytime I see Dems soften their demands I kacekwl Feb 4 #1

Sadly, neither am I ...incredibly disappointed but not Phoenix61 Feb 4 #6

Also incredibly disappointed notinkansas Tuesday #99

And this is before any negotiations. They're just smacking their own selves in the ass. Scrivener7 Feb 4 #51

The OP Left Out This Part.. WHY? Cha Feb 5 #61

Yeah, I was looking for the "softening" but I couldn't find much. Sounds like they all want masks off. travelingthrulife Feb 5 #69

They'll claim its a 'special circumstance' every time. sboatcar Feb 5 #79

Yeah, again, we know the plot here. mr715 Feb 5 #80

I don't think equivocating sends the right message. Do the republicans ever equivocate like that? Crunchy Frog Feb 5 #90

Safety reasons? notinkansas Tuesday #100

Well, there ya go! sheshe2 Tuesday #101

Scream bloody murder, "No, you're wrong!" Biophilic Feb 4 #2

There is no need for this military style look. pwb Feb 4 #3

Sure, but these guys are signing up so they can finally use all the "Tactical" costumes AZJonnie Feb 5 #62

You think they need jocks mr715 Feb 5 #82

About right...start negotiations at the bare minimum Bettie Feb 4 #4

Our leaders like their little club. mr715 Feb 4 #16

No it's not! You're wrong! MustLoveBeagles Feb 4 #5

I don't think they are. Did you read this part, Beagles.. Cha Feb 4 #39

I must've missed it MustLoveBeagles Feb 4 #44

Yes. The leaders said it, and the two of them had to politely walk it back. Why did they say it in the first place? Scrivener7 Feb 5 #81

Which makes one wonder... mr715 Feb 5 #84

Leadership's position Cirsium Feb 5 #85

I'm not even sure the administration couldn't meet the arbitrary and capricious legal standard with a mask law Ilikepurple Tuesday #103

If not now, then when? Cirsium Tuesday #105

I thought they were mirroring practices that local law enforcement used in specific circumstances. Hope22 Tuesday #102

Shameful and unacceptable Fiendish Thingy Feb 4 #7

The masks were a big ask. They are tempering it down. underpants Feb 4 #8

If agents of the executive authority are unwilling to show their face mr715 Feb 4 #10

Did you read this part?.. Details... Cha Feb 4 #38

I saw that "80%" post, but gave it zero credibility. sl8 Feb 4 #43

Isn't that the goal here ? kacekwl Feb 4 #59

No shit. Iggo Feb 5 #91

"...no masks, except in extraordinary and unusual circumstances." flvegan Feb 4 #9

It wasn't an unreasonable ask. mr715 Feb 4 #11

Agreed 👍 MustLoveBeagles Feb 4 #21

Just gross capitulation NewHendoLib Feb 4 #12

Disgusting and unacceptable. mr715 Feb 4 #13

Dem Leadership is montanacowboy Feb 4 #14

I want everyone to understand that Dems have 100% leverage right now on DHS Prairie Gates Feb 4 #15

It isn't "not a good start". It is a betrayal. mr715 Feb 4 #17

WTF????? bluestarone Feb 4 #18

If ICE is indeed to be defined as "law enforcement", then they need to act like all other law enforcement. hamsterjill Feb 4 #19

Agree 100%. mr715 Feb 4 #20

ICE wears whatever they buy themselves Bettie Feb 4 #25

You are exactly right! hamsterjill Feb 4 #41

Principles, Morals, even common human decency is negotiable under Trump and Ping Tung Feb 4 #22

Are they though? mr715 Feb 4 #23

Quick, everyone react to the headline and don't bother reading the details! FascismIsDeath Feb 4 #24

You don't think it is problematic mr715 Feb 4 #26

I think we should be honest, open and spell out exactly what we want from the get go, with as many details as possible. FascismIsDeath Feb 4 #27

I can only speak for myself. mr715 Feb 4 #30

There are times when we all need to cover our face for some reason. FascismIsDeath Feb 4 #36

They're murdering people in the streets. And now, thanks to our own leaders shooting us Scrivener7 Feb 5 #66

You're one of those "watched too many movies" people I was talking about FascismIsDeath Feb 5 #67

No. I'm one of those people who has actually conducted negotiations and who understands the Scrivener7 Feb 5 #71

Labor leader? mr715 Feb 5 #73

No. I've had two careers. In the first I was with a company that was doing a lot of acquisitions Scrivener7 Feb 5 #76

Well despite all that, you obviously didn't learn about pre-emptive argumentation or proactive objection handling. FascismIsDeath Feb 5 #95

My honored friend, Scrivener, is a clear and original thinker. mr715 Feb 5 #77

I am going to continue to dismiss it because of the concepts I mentioned to that person, that they are ignoring. FascismIsDeath Feb 5 #96

Because sometimes exceptions apply. Jedi Guy Feb 4 #56

And why are we putting DeLauro and Murphy in a position that they have to Scrivener7 Feb 5 #65

Distributive blame. mr715 Feb 5 #75

It would depend on the exceptions EdmondDantes_ Feb 4 #37

If the end result is, "follow the same protocols as regular ass police officers tend to do", its a huge difference. FascismIsDeath Feb 4 #49

That's certainly one possibility. EdmondDantes_ Feb 5 #68

Theres nothing congress can do about that other than impeach people. FascismIsDeath Feb 5 #70

They can cut funding. mr715 Feb 5 #74

If you actually read what I was responding to: FascismIsDeath Feb 5 #94

Negotiations haven't even started and they're backing down. If, after they sit at the table Scrivener7 Feb 4 #52

Or we could just abolish ICE and then we don't have to worry about masks WhiskeyGrinder Feb 4 #28

We will be a better Country when we have Democrats controlling the WH and Congress. OAITW r.2.0 Feb 4 #29

Also mr715 Feb 4 #33

The devil is in the details, without which this should be a NO. Raven123 Feb 4 #31

Only fund unmasked agents bucolic_frolic Feb 4 #32

No guns/weapons if you need a mask. mr715 Feb 4 #34

I Hope Everyone is Contacting Them Cha Feb 4 #35

We are not cartels, drug lords or the sort. We're everyday citizens, children being terrorized. Deuxcents Feb 4 #50

Nooooo! There is no reason for masked law enforcement other than to avoid accountability! surfered Feb 4 #40

Not this shit again Blue Owl Feb 4 #42

He's technically right, but, I'm not sure the 0.01% of situations that require a mask are worth mentioning. Oneironaut Feb 4 #45

Milquetoasts will always waffle over tiny details as fascists steamroll ahead Mysterian Feb 4 #46

I don't see republicans making any concessions before negotiations begin about ICE not murdering Americans. Scrivener7 Feb 4 #53

No! They are *NOT* OK under any circumstances! Initech Feb 4 #47

ICE's goal is to terrorize. Wearing masks helps accomplish this. IcyPeas Feb 4 #48

What is WRONG with our party leadership? EnergizedLib Feb 4 #54

Consultants and entitlement mr715 Feb 4 #55

Fuck that noise . . . hatrack Feb 4 #57

I don't think people appreciate how bad modern tech is gulliver Feb 4 #58

A street gang is your worry? aocommunalpunch Feb 5 #63

So you think they SHOULD be masked? That's what you're saying? And you're saying that, with a budget Scrivener7 Feb 5 #64

Guess what? This could happen to any of us. pinkstarburst Feb 5 #93

Nope. And disarm them. Hassler Feb 5 #60

Ho sweet of them. Autumn Feb 5 #72

What the actual fuck? yankee87 Feb 5 #78

No. Iggo Feb 5 #83

When is it ever okay? C_U_L8R Feb 5 #86

NEVER! Jilly_in_VA Feb 5 #87

Every time I hear about Dems caving CanonRay Feb 5 #88

I ain't gonna click alert. mr715 Feb 5 #89

We need new leadership pinkstarburst Feb 5 #92

'Republican leaders' should start wearing masks THEMSELVES---- Jack Valentino Feb 5 #97

This is why we can't have nice things. nt TBF Tuesday #98

We were expecting this..... Bread and Circuses Tuesday #104