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Prairie Gates

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15. I want everyone to understand that Dems have 100% leverage right now on DHS

Wed Feb 4, 2026, 07:48 PM

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The rest of the government is funded, ICE and DHS is widely reviled by the electorate.

So, the decisions they make will tell us whether they're on our side or the side of the fascist thugs.

"Masks acceptable in some cases" is not a good start.

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Masked ICE agents might be okay, says Dem leadership [View all] mr715 Yesterday OP

Anytime I see Dems soften their demands I kacekwl Yesterday #1

Sadly, neither am I ...incredibly disappointed but not Phoenix61 Yesterday #6

And this is before any negotiations. They're just smacking their own selves in the ass. Scrivener7 22 hrs ago #51

The OP Left Out This Part.. WHY? Cha 20 hrs ago #61

Yeah, I was looking for the "softening" but I couldn't find much. Sounds like they all want masks off. travelingthrulife 12 hrs ago #69

They'll claim its a 'special circumstance' every time. sboatcar 9 hrs ago #79

Yeah, again, we know the plot here. mr715 9 hrs ago #80

I don't think equivocating sends the right message. Do the republicans ever equivocate like that? Crunchy Frog 8 hrs ago #90

Scream bloody murder, "No, you're wrong!" Biophilic Yesterday #2

There is no need for this military style look. pwb Yesterday #3

Sure, but these guys are signing up so they can finally use all the "Tactical" costumes AZJonnie 19 hrs ago #62

You think they need jocks mr715 9 hrs ago #82

About right...start negotiations at the bare minimum Bettie Yesterday #4

Our leaders like their little club. mr715 Yesterday #16

No it's not! You're wrong! MustLoveBeagles Yesterday #5

I don't think they are. Did you read this part, Beagles.. Cha Yesterday #39

I must've missed it MustLoveBeagles 23 hrs ago #44

Yes. The leaders said it, and the two of them had to politely walk it back. Why did they say it in the first place? Scrivener7 9 hrs ago #81

Which makes one wonder... mr715 8 hrs ago #84

Leadership's position Cirsium 8 hrs ago #85

Shameful and unacceptable Fiendish Thingy Yesterday #7

The masks were a big ask. They are tempering it down. underpants Yesterday #8

If agents of the executive authority are unwilling to show their face mr715 Yesterday #10

Did you read this part?.. Details... Cha Yesterday #38

I saw that "80%" post, but gave it zero credibility. sl8 Yesterday #43

Isn't that the goal here ? kacekwl 21 hrs ago #59

No shit. Iggo 7 hrs ago #91

"...no masks, except in extraordinary and unusual circumstances." flvegan Yesterday #9

It wasn't an unreasonable ask. mr715 Yesterday #11

Agreed 👍 MustLoveBeagles Yesterday #21

Just gross capitulation NewHendoLib Yesterday #12

Disgusting and unacceptable. mr715 Yesterday #13

Dem Leadership is montanacowboy Yesterday #14

I want everyone to understand that Dems have 100% leverage right now on DHS Prairie Gates Yesterday #15

It isn't "not a good start". It is a betrayal. mr715 Yesterday #17

WTF????? bluestarone Yesterday #18

If ICE is indeed to be defined as "law enforcement", then they need to act like all other law enforcement. hamsterjill Yesterday #19

Agree 100%. mr715 Yesterday #20

ICE wears whatever they buy themselves Bettie Yesterday #25

You are exactly right! hamsterjill Yesterday #41

Principles, Morals, even common human decency is negotiable under Trump and Ping Tung Yesterday #22

Are they though? mr715 Yesterday #23

Quick, everyone react to the headline and don't bother reading the details! FascismIsDeath Yesterday #24

You don't think it is problematic mr715 Yesterday #26

I think we should be honest, open and spell out exactly what we want from the get go, with as many details as possible. FascismIsDeath Yesterday #27

I can only speak for myself. mr715 Yesterday #30

There are times when we all need to cover our face for some reason. FascismIsDeath Yesterday #36

They're murdering people in the streets. And now, thanks to our own leaders shooting us Scrivener7 12 hrs ago #66

You're one of those "watched too many movies" people I was talking about FascismIsDeath 12 hrs ago #67

No. I'm one of those people who has actually conducted negotiations and who understands the Scrivener7 11 hrs ago #71

Labor leader? mr715 9 hrs ago #73

No. I've had two careers. In the first I was with a company that was doing a lot of acquisitions Scrivener7 9 hrs ago #76

My honored friend, Scrivener, is a clear and original thinker. mr715 9 hrs ago #77

Because sometimes exceptions apply. Jedi Guy 21 hrs ago #56

And why are we putting DeLauro and Murphy in a position that they have to Scrivener7 12 hrs ago #65

Distributive blame. mr715 9 hrs ago #75

It would depend on the exceptions EdmondDantes_ Yesterday #37

If the end result is, "follow the same protocols as regular ass police officers tend to do", its a huge difference. FascismIsDeath 23 hrs ago #49

That's certainly one possibility. EdmondDantes_ 12 hrs ago #68

Theres nothing congress can do about that other than impeach people. FascismIsDeath 12 hrs ago #70

They can cut funding. mr715 9 hrs ago #74

Negotiations haven't even started and they're backing down. If, after they sit at the table Scrivener7 22 hrs ago #52

Or we could just abolish ICE and then we don't have to worry about masks WhiskeyGrinder Yesterday #28

We will be a better Country when we have Democrats controlling the WH and Congress. OAITW r.2.0 Yesterday #29

Also mr715 Yesterday #33

The devil is in the details, without which this should be a NO. Raven123 Yesterday #31

Only fund unmasked agents bucolic_frolic Yesterday #32

No guns/weapons if you need a mask. mr715 Yesterday #34

I Hope Everyone is Contacting Them Cha Yesterday #35

We are not cartels, drug lords or the sort. We're everyday citizens, children being terrorized. Deuxcents 23 hrs ago #50

Nooooo! There is no reason for masked law enforcement other than to avoid accountability! surfered Yesterday #40

Not this shit again Blue Owl Yesterday #42

He's technically right, but, I'm not sure the 0.01% of situations that require a mask are worth mentioning. Oneironaut 23 hrs ago #45

Milquetoasts will always waffle over tiny details as fascists steamroll ahead Mysterian 23 hrs ago #46

I don't see republicans making any concessions before negotiations begin about ICE not murdering Americans. Scrivener7 22 hrs ago #53

No! They are *NOT* OK under any circumstances! Initech 23 hrs ago #47

ICE's goal is to terrorize. Wearing masks helps accomplish this. IcyPeas 23 hrs ago #48

What is WRONG with our party leadership? EnergizedLib 21 hrs ago #54

Consultants and entitlement mr715 21 hrs ago #55

Fuck that noise . . . hatrack 21 hrs ago #57

I don't think people appreciate how bad modern tech is gulliver 21 hrs ago #58

A street gang is your worry? aocommunalpunch 14 hrs ago #63

So you think they SHOULD be masked? That's what you're saying? And you're saying that, with a budget Scrivener7 13 hrs ago #64

Guess what? This could happen to any of us. pinkstarburst 7 hrs ago #93

Nope. And disarm them. Hassler 20 hrs ago #60

Ho sweet of them. Autumn 11 hrs ago #72

What the actual fuck? yankee87 9 hrs ago #78

No. Iggo 8 hrs ago #83

When is it ever okay? C_U_L8R 8 hrs ago #86

NEVER! Jilly_in_VA 8 hrs ago #87

Every time I hear about Dems caving CanonRay 8 hrs ago #88

I ain't gonna click alert. mr715 8 hrs ago #89

We need new leadership pinkstarburst 7 hrs ago #92