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Johnny2X2X

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4. "abide by the same rules as local police."

Wed Feb 4, 2026, 08:55 AM

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That's kind of off too. ICE has nowhere near as much legal authority as local police do. ICE has an extremely limited scope of legal authority, they cannot enforce any part of the law save for immigration warrants signed by a judge. They have no legal basis for traffic stops or barking orders at anyone driving a car, they don't even have anymore legal authority than you or I do to direct traffic. They have no legal mandate to interact with protesters save for the rare instances protesters are preventing them from executing a warrant.

This is what's totally crazy, ICE are not trained in any area of the law save for immigration warrant serving. They don't have the power to do any of these things to protesters or bystanders that we are seeing. They do not have the same rules as local police, they have the same rules as local citizens.

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Drive more twenty somethings away from the party chuckles JT45242 Wednesday #1

Why is he still in Leadership? Why is it so hard to replace bad leadership? Ars Longa Wednesday #105

Yes common sense reforms for the slave patrol gestapo racist militia LuvLoogie Wednesday #2

Yeah, make them less Nazish? Swede Wednesday #3

Maybe we could dress them in pink tutus, yellow dahlia Wednesday #76

"abide by the same rules as local police." Johnny2X2X Wednesday #4

Are you sure about that? MichMan Wednesday #49

No, Chuck. We want ICE & ALL OF DHS ABOLISHED! SheltieLover Wednesday #5

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This Democrat want's ICE fucking abolished. Maybe Chuck should push for something that Autumn Wednesday #7

It's a good start SocialDemocrat61 Wednesday #8

WTF Scrivener7 Wednesday #11

This 😎 SocialDemocrat61 Wednesday #18

Ivory Tower thinking is what got us into this mess. littlemissmartypants Wednesday #40

My objection to the quote came from the fact that it is usually used to say, "Accept less." In most Scrivener7 Wednesday #54

Trying to play nice is Chuck's default mode. And you are correct - yellow dahlia Wednesday #82

"Playing nice" mr715 Wednesday #92

No charisma. And indeed compromised. yellow dahlia Wednesday #99

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How many WTF's can we use in a day? yellow dahlia Wednesday #80

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Every journey begins SocialDemocrat61 Wednesday #120

All too often it feels like that single step Bettie Wednesday #122

Then maybe we should work SocialDemocrat61 Wednesday #123

This is the perfect response. mr715 Wednesday #132

Hey Chuckles BluenFLA Wednesday #9

That's the wrong approach, gab13by13 Wednesday #13

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Krasnov, well Miller, gab13by13 Wednesday #19

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Thomas Paine wrote a pamphlet called "Common Sense". Ping Tung Wednesday #21

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Someone in DHS Jilly_in_VA Wednesday #42

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I do, it was called the INS. Crowman2009 Wednesday #96

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Someone with a pot conviction 30 years ago that is now working for the federal government should be fired? MichMan Wednesday #67

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You said " the firing of anyone with a criminal record" MichMan Wednesday #69

Have a lovely day, dear. Scrivener7 Wednesday #79

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