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62. I now sometimes think Biden's victory in 2020 was a case of "Be careful what you wish for, you just might get it"

Sat Dec 20, 2025, 11:07 AM

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I'm not kidding - I sometimes think it would have been better if Trump had won in 2020 - he would have lost the popular vote and his victory could have been somewhat waived away as due to the advantages of incumbency and the electoral college; January 6th wouldn't have happened; his second term cabinet and staff probably would have looked much more like the first term than what we're seeing now; and of course, we'd now be done with the son-of-a-bitch. Even if the debate disaster had not happened, Biden's term did not help the Democratic Party - the disastrous handling of the border, the blatantly heavy-handed (and alienating) pandering to certain demographic groups, the indifference to addressing economic concerns, the overall ineptitude at politics/communication - no Democrat is going to be running for the 2028 nomination promising to be Biden II.

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Kamala being interviewed by Jimmy Kimmel tonight is enlightening but also frustrating [View all] live love laugh Thursday OP

Might have been better for Harris to wait awhile, but I can see her being "ungrateful." It was just a bad situation Silent Type Thursday #1

Biden's feelings ??? Intractable Thursday #2

Well, I knew Biden's one-term promise wouldn't hold misanthrope Thursday #4

He never made a one-term promise. W_HAMILTON Thursday #15

You're right misanthrope Friday #22

Well, he got his wish. mr715 Friday #24

And, unfortunately, we now got the government we deserve. W_HAMILTON Friday #25

Yes, that's how I remember it PatSeg Friday #27

Why? mr715 Friday #28

Sorry you feel that way PatSeg Friday #31

And I appreciate both your perspective mr715 Friday #33

Thank you PatSeg Friday #36

"Should've" ... Monday morning QBs always win. live love laugh Friday #48

and boy - did we get plenty of "howa' shoulda' been done" in that dose. stopdiggin Saturday #52

You're real late with this response. Too late to be a QB for anything. Intractable Saturday #56

lol ... being latER and wrong is worse. live love laugh Saturday #60

I'm going to put you on my ignore list. Intractable Saturday #61

Thanks live love laugh Saturday #95

He definitely alluded in the 2020 campaign to being a transitional POTUS. beaglelover Friday #41

Biden never promised to be a one-term president Mysterian Thursday #19

It is my inference of the word "transitional." misanthrope Friday #21

It sure is dishonest adjacent. nt mr715 Friday #26

For about the fiftieth time, Biden NEVER 'promised' to be a one-term president! Jack Valentino Friday #50

Thank you. He got in there in the first Solomon Thursday #6

He never once said that ITAL Thursday #16

And if he were truly honest about serving 2 terms, mr715 Friday #23

I beg to differ misanthrope Friday #34

I meant the primary mr715 Friday #37

good post Skittles Thursday #7

Ironically, in 2000, both Biden and Harris were near the bottom for me. Intractable Thursday #9

you don't need THE most delicate body part for courage Skittles Thursday #10

During the campaign, I thought it was flawless. mr715 Thursday #14

He was good until he wasn't. mr715 Thursday #13

Biden's goal was to fight fascism? This is more revisionist than factual. live love laugh Saturday #53

"Fight for the soul of the nation" mr715 Saturday #63

Once again your revisionist disinformation is not provable, live love laugh Saturday #78

Revisionist disinformation is rarely provable. mr715 Saturday #88

Stop posting lies or adding to them. live love laugh Saturday #89

Not posting lies nor adding to them. mr715 Saturday #90

Your perspective is lies. live love laugh Saturday #91

Don't you think that any good president should have that goal, if faced with the threat of a Trump-like creature? Doodley Saturday #77

The OP claims failure because BIDEN didn't stop fascism. Neither did his predecessors. live love laugh Saturday #80

Yes - all the way back to Jefferson, Hamilton, and Washington. mr715 Saturday #83

Biden was the president who lost to a fascist, a fascist who is destroying the America we knew. Doodley Saturday #84

And facilitated his ascent mr715 Saturday #86

More revisionistic drivel and lies ... live love laugh Saturday #93

To put a finer point on it, mr715 Saturday #85

Typically VP candidates are not primary contenders MichMan Thursday #11

And by stating in advance, that "he would only select a Black woman as VP," he reduced her to it. Intractable Thursday #18

Huh? When did Biden ever say he would ONLY pick a black female VP? live love laugh Saturday #54

Are you serious here? Intractable Saturday #55

Bullshit link. Take your revisionist disinformation elsewhere. live love laugh Saturday #66

Woman VP, Black woman Justice. mr715 Saturday #68

He did not PLEDGE to pick a BLACK WOMAN VP. live love laugh Saturday #71

He did "vow" to have a woman nt mr715 Saturday #72

The lie is BLACK woman. Don't back out now .... live love laugh Saturday #74

You are apparently correct / I was wrong mr715 Saturday #76

Your original point is still relevant. It was used against Kamala by MAGA, with Trump calling her a "DEI hire." Doodley Saturday #79

I'm fairly sure I remember a debate mr715 Saturday #87

Another load of drivel... live love laugh Saturday #92

It happened when he did it. nt mr715 Saturday #65

IOW you've got nothing .... live love laugh Saturday #67

You are under no obligation mr715 Saturday #70

But you backed the allegation that he did pledge to pick a black female VP. live love laugh Saturday #73

I was wrong about the race part. mr715 Saturday #75

I was so burned when she did that during a primary debate PatSeg Friday #29

I truly don't understand mr715 Friday #32

When Obama picked Biden as VP, you believe it was a political graveyard appointment? MichMan Friday #38

Yes. mr715 Friday #40

Sometimes two people can have different views of the same thing EdmondDantes_ Friday #42

The instance I'm referring to wasn't quite like that PatSeg Friday #44

And this is why I am no fan of Kamala. madibella Saturday #58

Seriously? live love laugh Saturday #69

Kamala's "snake like tendencies"...what's that mean? live love laugh Saturday #94

He completely screwed us in respect to the 2024 election. Love this line in your post: beaglelover Friday #39

I now sometimes think Biden's victory in 2020 was a case of "Be careful what you wish for, you just might get it" Midwestern Democrat Saturday #62

Kamala was misplaced as VP. Her background is that of a litigator. She should have been U.S. Attorney General... PeaceWave Thursday #3

Closest was Franklin Pierce or William H. Taft ITAL Thursday #17

Trump's "skill set" qualifies him? live love laugh Thursday #20

the statement concerning the 'hands off stance' is just fundamentally factual stopdiggin Thursday #5

Every good administration has kept that "purity stance". nilram Friday #35

and - while I desperately fear that it may not be possible to put the genie back stopdiggin Saturday #51

Harris is correct: Justice dept. should be independent, no political or personal influence. betsuni Thursday #8

I'm sorry but mr715 Thursday #12

I care about his feelings PatSeg Friday #30

Don't worry. Biden will be okay. He's much better off than the most of us under Trump. Intractable Saturday #57

And that is the sort of thing PatSeg Saturday #59

Empathy can be performative mr715 Saturday #64

You are right. The feelings of millions who lose their healthcare because of Trump, lose benefits to feed their Doodley Saturday #81

Agree 100 percent with your comments karynnj Friday #43

Klobuchar as VP in 2020 or as the presidential candidate in 2024? MichMan Friday #45

You are right. I thought the promise was a woman. karynnj Friday #47

Biden and Harris are adults and friends. JI7 Friday #46

Place blame where it belongs - the voters who didn't vote for her lostnfound Friday #49

Beautiful said. Sadly true. Doodley Saturday #82