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Metaphorical

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37. Not Quite
Mon Dec 15, 2025, 06:36 PM
Yesterday

Large Language Models (LLMs) can be thought of as giant dialog machines - break a conversation (website, PDF, patterns in an image, etc.) down into individual words, with arrows connecting each word to the next. Put it into the model. Repeat over hundreds of millions of documents. Eventually, you end up with a giant network graph of overlapping conversations. When you enter a prompt, this selects the conversation(s) closest to the one you want that has more details.

There are a few big problems with this - the first being that the shorter the prompt, the more likely the conversation will go down the wrong path and generate something that is entirely nonsensical. The second is that there is no original thought there, only what has been fed into the latent space (the graph), beyond any new concepts coming in from the prompt. This can give the illusion of intelligence. The final is that because the training is such a time-consuming process, most LLMs use a special kind of memory device called a context, and there are limits computationally to how big such contexts can be before they become ineffective.

A world model, on the other hand, is more like a traditional database - it tells the system some information about the world - physical infrastructure, where things are located, changes in organisations, and so forth. It's also called a digital twin, changes in state, etc.. This is preferable than an LLM by itself (though LLMs can us world models) because the WM can be updated dynamically quickly.

A number of key data scientists, including ex-Meta chief scientist Yann LeCun, Gary Marcus, and a number of others (myself included) have all been saying for some time that you cannot have a reasoning system without a world model as something to ground it, and this is beginning to percolate through the AI industry. The Tech Bros aren't particularly happy about it, because such WMs are comparatively far more efficient and work in ways that tend to reduce the importance of their components, but I think that on the tech side as people work with the tech, they're coming to the same conclusion.

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I work for a Multinational Corp. TBA Yesterday #1
Just like the dot com bubble Dave says Yesterday #6
The problem is not with the product. The problem is the way the FINANCING of the product is structured. 3Hotdogs Yesterday #22
It's not the same gulliver 18 hrs ago #47
They also make hardware in addition to software Sympthsical 6 hrs ago #58
Lots of companies are integrating AI angrychair 23 hrs ago #40
This has been my firsthand experience as well. W_HAMILTON 22 hrs ago #44
My nursing school uses AI to teach Sympthsical 6 hrs ago #59
I also am old enough to remember the first time i saw the internet... W_HAMILTON 22 hrs ago #43
IBM and McDs couldn't make an AI menu system work consistently, I doubt others success uponit7771 6 hrs ago #54
I entirely agree dickthegrouch Yesterday #2
these doom and gloom financial predictions rollin74 Yesterday #3
Everyone here thinks they're Michael Burry fujiyamasan Yesterday #13
... cause this time circular financing without organic income is different this time? uponit7771 6 hrs ago #61
AI, grok, crypto..................... Lovie777 Yesterday #4
While I understand your point, I believe AI is more in the over-promised stage similar to right before the Dot.com artemisia1 Yesterday #5
I agree Dave says Yesterday #7
Partially right, IMO Happy Hoosier Yesterday #8
21st century needs require 21st century tools.... anciano Yesterday #9
Most of the junk you see isn't good quality ai jfz9580m 18 hrs ago #46
The valuations don't make much sense fujiyamasan Yesterday #10
I'm more inclined to listen to my trained financial advisors. Gore1FL Yesterday #11
The zillow dollar question is not if, CanonRay Yesterday #12
AI has been around for a long time. LeftInTX Yesterday #14
No. They are not interchangeable terms. Celerity Yesterday #15
But it's used in common speech nowadays LeftInTX Yesterday #20
It seems if many non-AI things are now being re-branded as AI Deminpenn 15 hrs ago #50
Same advice I always give: don't make financial decisions based on buy or sell advice from a DU poster. onenote Yesterday #16
Yes, I've been here for decades fujiyamasan Yesterday #29
If I took investing advice here, I would have sold everything years ago and hid it in a mattress somewhere MichMan 10 hrs ago #52
I completely agree about your assessment of Crypto currency Buddyzbuddy Yesterday #17
Like it or not, AI has a solid function in business Mr.WeRP Yesterday #18
Who has money to invest? ThreeNoSeep Yesterday #19
Well, A.I. has destroyed my profession entirely already. OldBaldy1701E Yesterday #21
I'll have you know that I've invested heavily in crypto Orrex Yesterday #23
LOL! MineralMan Yesterday #25
Yeah, but with hotels!!?!?! dutch777 Yesterday #31
Whoa--easy there, moneybags! Orrex Yesterday #38
The problem here isn't whether AI (I hate that name, its so false) will exist into the future, it will Cheezoholic Yesterday #24
There is chatter about how the " large language model" isn't the right one Klarkashton Yesterday #26
Not Quite Metaphorical Yesterday #37
Correct, too much hallucinating uponit7771 6 hrs ago #55
You're right. I'm going straight into scratch lottery tickets underpants Yesterday #27
I didn't buy Micron at 12 cents in 1984 bucolic_frolic Yesterday #28
Yep, people coming out of Forest Gump likely thought they "missed the boat" with Apple in 1994 fujiyamasan Yesterday #30
We started getting into Nvidia about three years ago Sympthsical 6 hrs ago #63
Good call on nvdia fujiyamasan 5 hrs ago #64
Yeah, we've been conservative Sympthsical 5 hrs ago #65
I think for some of us in our forties we became particularly risk averse after the Great Recession fujiyamasan 5 hrs ago #66
Exact same here Sympthsical 4 hrs ago #67
The fake-looking generated art and chatbots are but a sliver of what AI is and can do TheProle Yesterday #32
I've been saying this on Linked In Metaphorical Yesterday #33
The big money return in crypto is::: Norrrm Yesterday #34
AI works for some things Diraven Yesterday #35
"It is not really intelligent and has no ability to truly create anything." dedl67 Yesterday #36
Agree.... anciano Yesterday #39
doubtful. WarGamer 23 hrs ago #41
Yes, Gemini 3 is impressive and much faster than before fujiyamasan 22 hrs ago #42
This is from Gemini itself uponit7771 6 hrs ago #60
It's fucking boring and it makes the people who use it fucking boring. hunter 19 hrs ago #45
AI is changing the world for the better gulliver 18 hrs ago #48
Remember how computers were going to reduce the amount of paperwork we suffered... hunter 10 hrs ago #51
Now do hallucination rate uponit7771 6 hrs ago #56
I think that's a bit starry-eyed Happy Hoosier 6 hrs ago #62
Sell Ford and buy Jeremiah Buggy stock.....1912 Melon 17 hrs ago #49
Right now Fords engine doesn't work like they said it does, of course sell Ford uponit7771 6 hrs ago #57
Cryptocurrency is literally hot air. Qutzupalotl 7 hrs ago #53
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