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snot

(11,412 posts)
40. I've been around for a long time,
Sun Dec 14, 2025, 07:35 PM
Sunday

and I've never seen an election in which people didn't vote their wallets.

There was a time when the Dems were aligned with workers, and a majority of them believed Dems would look out for their economic interests.

But by the time Trump came along, workers felt betrayed – and imho, rightly so. The repeal of Glass-Steagall, the failure to regulate credit derivatives, the evisceration of labor protections, and many other changes during and since Reagan's & Clinton's presidencies had allowed the 1% to start scraping off every bit of the increase in worker productivity since the 80's. Wages stagnated while the wealth of the 1% skyrocketed. Obama's appointment of the same executives who caused the 2008 global financial crisis to take charge of the bailouts, Treasury, etc., was the cherry on the sh*t sundae.

We'd gone from a world in which a single income could afford a home, college for two kids, and retirement for two adults to one in which two incomes couldn't afford any of that.

I don't care what you "message"; words can hide those realities for only so long. By the time of the Occupy Movement, many workers identifying with either party were disgusted with both parties, and traditional Republican and Democrat voters both showed support for the Occupy camps, despite traditional media's efforts to denigrate or ignore the movement.

In the run-up to the 2016 election, Trump actually co-opted a lot of Bernie's schtick, promising to help workers; and voters took note. Unfortunately, the media gave Trump about a hundred times more coverage than they gave Bernie, apparently in the benighted hope that voters would realize how awful Trump was. Perhaps they saw, but they also heard Trump promise to help them.

The time when the Dems can continue to coast on their history of support for workers is OVER. Continuing to fiddle with the "message" without actually fighting for the economic welfare of workers will only reinforce voters' perceptions of Dem hypocrisy.

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Why Democrats Lost in 2024 [View all] applegrove Sunday OP
It's Simple. Not enough of us voted for Kamala Harris in 2024. MineralMan Sunday #1
Racism and misogynism elected DT. Meadowoak Sunday #6
And too many of us let them do that. MineralMan Sunday #7
Our next candidate has to be a white male. Gavin Newsom is my first choice Meadowoak Sunday #8
We'll see. MineralMan Sunday #10
I think you're probably right, much as I hate to say it Jilly_in_VA Sunday #17
Gavin has a strong voice and enjoys using it. No more lilly livered candidates. Meadowoak Sunday #19
He's got a Greg_In_SF Sunday #25
I just saw a 56% approval amid claims he is surging here from his Nixie Sunday #36
In a 50/50 country, that's really not that bad. Meadowoak Yesterday #47
Gavin is Number 1 for a reason. He has shown no fear and is Nixie Sunday #37
I've always liked Chris! He's been great at speaking out against Trump!! CrispyQ Sunday #41
Smells like another coronation. Nope. thought crime Sunday #33
Primaries are primaries. Delegates are delegates. Sparkly Sunday #43
gaza SonOfNebanaube Sunday #38
How well did that work out? Sparkly Sunday #44
I know, I heard a couple people remark they would have been more comfortable with Walz haele Sunday #45
We've been moving right for decades and look where it has gotten us and the nation. No Thanks. Biophilic Sunday #2
Listening to consultants who put their interests and values ahead of the Democratic party's was a big factor in 2024 Fiendish Thingy Sunday #3
You need to be a political consultant! leftstreet Sunday #5
Hey, if I want to read about Democratic fuckups, I'll just visit the NY Times. (nt) Paladin Sunday #4
Taegan Goddard is the laziest "journalist" out there displacedvermoter Sunday #9
Geez, more fucking propaganda. ananda Sunday #11
I don't think voters care about the cultural and social ... Whiskeytide Sunday #12
Because those with conservative values don't give a fuck about BOSSHOG Sunday #13
Republican Santa doesn't even leave coal and dead branches in stockings -- can be used for fuel. betsuni Sunday #14
They know exactly how government works. Dismantleling is so applegrove Sunday #15
That's sabotage to win elections, not governing. betsuni Yesterday #50
Being beholden to the bribing class The Wizard Sunday #16
Because we thought we couldn't lose? Iggo Sunday #18
That was 2016. thought crime Yesterday #49
It's always this culture war bullshit, we're in a class war. BlueTsunami2018 Sunday #20
Democrats have to propose economic change to dominate the conversation. thought crime Sunday #29
ever notice repukes are never advised to MOVE LEFT when they get slaughtered? Skittles Sunday #21
Their 2012 election autopsy kind of did EdmondDantes_ Sunday #22
It's not reality about "moving right". But about taking control over JI7 Sunday #23
In A Nutshell... ProfessorGAC Sunday #24
I can see Capt Mark Kelly stepping in. multigraincracker Sunday #26
Why not just hopscotch OVER the R positions... ret5hd Sunday #27
Moving right is fucking bullshit Alpeduez21 Sunday #28
One thing Democrats should do is make more noise about Climate Change. thought crime Sunday #30
Unfortunately, Dem candidate Harris did not have the personal charisma necessary to win. No Vested Interest Sunday #31
KH was not an angry woman though senseandsensibility Sunday #32
You're correct. Everyone, with their insecurities, or other faults gets one vote, No Vested Interest Sunday #34
Reluctantly senseandsensibility Sunday #35
Sorry you think I'm using "their" words; they're my words - a senior life-long Dem female. No Vested Interest Sunday #39
Is there ANY woman personality that's presidential, then? Sparkly Sunday #42
So the state of the Democratic campaign and the short time frame had nothing much to do with it? thought crime Yesterday #48
I agree. Sparkly Yesterday #52
Agree re timing - problem too huge to have been overcome. No Vested Interest 11 hrs ago #56
I've been around for a long time, snot Sunday #40
We lost because Kamala Harris was not willing to lie to win krawhitham Sunday #46
We'll get trounced if Harris is run again Melon Yesterday #51
America is not ready for a woman president bob4460 22 hrs ago #54
Give us someone that will really fight for Democratic policies bob4460 23 hrs ago #53
I will continue to be very active in phone banking and letter writing.... Bread and Circuses 22 hrs ago #55
We lost the thread. mr715 11 hrs ago #57
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