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Ol Janx Spirit

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24. If a penny costs 3.69 cents to make, but a dollar only costs 4.1 cents to make*, then the face value argument...
Sat Dec 13, 2025, 11:18 PM
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...really doesn't mean anything does it?

When a penny falls in a hole never to be seen again, the government just lost a 3.69 cent investment into something it had promised a value of 1 cent to a consumer--so a theoretical 2.69 cent loss when it goes out of circulation since the government will never have to pay out that 1 cent it promised. But when a 1 dollar bill falls into a fire pit or a shredder, the government just made a theoretical 95.9 cents since they only lost 4.1 cents for something they promised to give the consumer $1 for.

Theoretically, 36 pennies have to be lost to even out the gain made on the loss of one dollar.

When you expand that to factor in that a $100 bill only costs 11.3 cents to make, you have to lose 3,713 pennies to offset the gain made on the loss of a $100 bill that some billionaire decided to light his Solo Stove with because it's cool.

None of this actually has to do with what it costs the government to produce the currency. And besides, that money the government spent made money for someone and some company, and it produced tax revenue from all of the employees of that company. Those employees bought things in their communities; and so on. The truth is that the government probably didn't actually "lose" anything on that investment. Just ask the people with the jobs supported by it.

We certainly don't hold bullet production for the U.S. military to the same standard. Defense contractors make a damn fortune producing ordinance and nobody ever asks what the ROI is on giving the military unlimited opportunities to produce shrapnel.

The truth is that the penny--and the nickel and the dime for that matter--is worthless as a denomination. And once vending machines stop taking quarters they will be a burden to carry too.

A penny in 1960 had roughly the buying power of a dime today because of inflation. At the very least, as denominations lose their buying power to the level of a higher denomination over time they should logically be phased out.

But the bigger issue is going to occur when the government pushes to phase out currency altogether. Cash can be exchanged without the ability of the government to track it, and at some point that's just not going to be acceptable to a government that wants to know about everything you make and everything you spend.....

* https://www.federalreserve.gov/faqs/currency_12771.htm


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How did he make money killing the penny? Irish_Dem Saturday #1
I stumbled upon a right wing screed recently which for some reason... Hugin Saturday #13
Who gets all the pennies, and how much are they worth? Irish_Dem Sunday #37
Personally, I believe it goes back to a grudge against a dead guy. Hugin Sunday #38
Getting revenge and grifting at the same time. Irish_Dem Sunday #39
Americans are weakest about what... Hugin Sunday #40
The evil geniuses installed the perfect snake oil salesman. Irish_Dem Sunday #42
Except They're Not Rare Earth Metals ProfessorGAC Sunday #49
lincoln freed theslaves very bad person rampartd Saturday #26
Oh geez I had not thought of that. Of course. Irish_Dem Sunday #43
That's a good argument. Should be shared widely. bucolic_frolic Saturday #2
I haven't heard one issue he's tackling make any sense or justification for his decisions..the penny Deuxcents Saturday #3
This is not a new idea, as far back as 2008 Abolishinist Saturday #4
next time you run for president promise to implode the ball room rampartd Saturday #30
Pennies were eliminated in Canada a long time ago. jeffreyi Saturday #5
Other countries think this through and do planned phase-outs rather than just act on impulse. Eugene Saturday #8
During WWII, pennies were made out of steel Deminpenn Saturday #23
There's a whole documentary about it. eggplant Saturday #16
Its inevitable. Not Trumps idea. Just common sense. LiberalLovinLug Saturday #18
On top of that, if cost relative to value was the real issue, nickels should be discontinued first. Wiz Imp Saturday #6
The volume of nickels shouldn't need to increase if the penny is discontinued. eggplant Saturday #17
Most experts disagree with you including the Federal Reserve. Wiz Imp Saturday #28
Locally, Giant Eagle grocery stores offered $1 in gift cards for every 50 penny roll Deminpenn Saturday #27
A mill is one tenth of a penny Bmoboy Saturday #7
Krugman says the penny is no longer relevant. It is obsolete. We should also start minting one-dollar and two-dollar Martin68 Saturday #9
The problem with that is vending machines don't take dollar coins Deminpenn Saturday #29
In Canada our vending machines take $1 and $2 coins. Most adults use their debit or credit cards on the machines. Bev54 Saturday #32
That's nice to know Deminpenn Saturday #34
Exactly. I used to spend every summer in Ontario, and I thought one and two dollar coins were great. Martin68 Sunday #47
Yes most people have their cards on their phones now so just tap the phone. Bev54 Sunday #48
If the penny is dead, BlueSpot Sunday #35
That's like a blacksmith saying "we don't have horseshoes for automobiles. Let's stick with horses." Martin68 Sunday #46
It is an issue when you're dealing with a moron that can only focus on one thought at a time. Trump is really flashman13 Saturday #10
Translation: Bessent plans on embezzling the nation's copper reserves. intheflow Saturday #11
Not really a lot of copper in pennies any more... Wounded Bear Saturday #21
Even so, a quart jar full of pennies is $18.00 yellowdogintexas Sunday #36
Actually, I don't think pennies circulate much at all. patphil Saturday #12
much hue and cry in advocacy - for a token that consumers in large part refuse to use stopdiggin Saturday #15
He wants to destroy everything and anything he can. RockRaven Saturday #14
They've discussed killing the penny forever. Melon Saturday #19
Yeah, they can blame/give credit to trump if they like, but it's been in the works for a while...nt Wounded Bear Saturday #22
That's right, it doesn't make any cents! KelleyKramer Saturday #20
If a penny costs 3.69 cents to make, but a dollar only costs 4.1 cents to make*, then the face value argument... Ol Janx Spirit Saturday #24
Even if so, the thing to do is to make 2-cent coins that look almost like cents (not pennies -- there is no US penny). eppur_se_muova Saturday #25
Getting rid of the penny is a fairly old idea dsc Saturday #31
Seigniorage Deminpenn Saturday #33
1/2 Cent, Two-Cent piece, Three Cent piece, Silver Half-Dimes, Twenty-Cent piece, and Emile Sunday #41
I hate having loose coins. MichMan Sunday #44
In Panama, pennies are necessary PJMcK Sunday #45
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