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Celerity

(53,895 posts)
18. We will never know because of the 8 Dem Senate cavers. The polls were trending more & more against Trump and the Rehugs
Thu Dec 11, 2025, 07:29 PM
Dec 11

in terms of blame as the shutdown went on.

The vast majority of elected Dems at multiple levels (and from a wide range of ideological backgrounds) opposed the cave in. It ceertainly was not a centrist/moderate v progressive delineated battle.

Other than the 8 cavers and then Spanberger, almost every major Dem centrist/moderate voted No and/or has ripped the deal, as have, of course, the further left in our Party.

This includes most every 2026 Senate candidate (centrist/moderates included) who are not in the current Senate.

There is no deep and wide divide within our Party over the cave-in. The Party is mostly united in its disapproval of the cave-in from what I have seen, at least as far as all the other Senators, the Dem Governors (especially Newsom and Pritzker), most major US Senate 2026 candidates, and most US House members, including Jeffries.

A sampling of those who have condemened the cave-in and/or voted No, starting with moderates/centrists:

Roy Cooper, the odds-on favourite to win the 2026 NC Senate race, condemened the deal.

Janet Mills, the current favourite for US Senate from Maine, panned the deal.

NJ Governor-elect (and another US House Problem Solver) Mikie Sherrill denounced the deal as “malpractice.”

Haley Stevens (a Problem Solver like Slotkin was) who is the current leader in the 2026 MI US Senate race, has ripped the deal.

Slotkin and Gary Peters, the current MI US Senators both voted No and Slotkin criticised the deal.

Mark Warner, also from VA like the caver Kaine, voted No. All 6 of the US Senators except for Kaine, from the 3 biggest US States in terms of government employees (CA, VA, and MD) voted No. Both governors from MD and CA (Newsom and Wes Moore) were against the deal, unlike Spanberger.

Colin Allred of TX, running again for US Senate, called the deal a 'joke'.

Moderates Ruben Gallego and Mark Kelly of AZ voted No. Gallego criticised the deal on X, Kelly on MSNBC today.

Minnesota Lt. Gov. Peggy Flanagan (granted not a centrist), running for the MN US Senate slot, said in a video, “we deserve so much more than this bullshit”

“If people believe this is a ‘deal,’ I have a bridge to sell you,” said Flanagan’s rival, Representative Angie Craig (another House Problem Solver) adding that she’s a “no” when the measure comes up for a vote in the House. “I’m not going to put 24 million Americans at risk of losing their health care.”

Hickenlooper of CO voted No, and criticised the deal as did his fellow CO moderate Senator, Michael Bennet.

Jon Ossoff, perhaps the Dem Senator most at risk in 2026, voted No, as did his fellow GA US Senator Raphael Warnock, and criticised the deal.

The moderate Kirsten Gillibrand (NY) voted No.

The moderate (and also an ex House Problem Solver) Peter Welch (VT) voted No.

Moderate Amy Klobuchar of MN voted No.

As for non-centrists, here are some samples:

The Democrats vying to replace caver Durbin in IL: Juliana Stratton (Pritzker's pick), who’s previously called for new Senate leadership, cast Democrats’ cave as “a complete betrayal of the American people.” Reps. Raja Krishnamoorthi and Robin Kelly both slammed the deal.

Texas state Rep. James Talarico, running for the US Senate rebuked the deal, saying 'it isn't compromise; it's surrender'.

In Ohio, former Senator Sherrod Brown (running again for the Senate) said “This is a bad deal for Ohioans.”

“That’s not a deal,” Rep. Ritchie Torres (NY) said, “It’s an unconditional surrender.

Nathan Sage, running for US Senate in Iowa, slammed the Senate Democrats who “caved and accomplished nothing.”

Sara Rodriguez, candidate for Wisconsin Governor said: “Tonight’s vote may have ended the shutdown — but it sent Wisconsin families the bill. Senate Democrats had a choice: stand firm for working people or cave to political pressure. They chose wrong.”

Haley Stevens' 2 main opponents for the US Senate in MI in 2026: “This is a bad deal,” Mallory McMorrow said in a video, adding that “the old way of doing things is not working.” Abdul El-Sayed slammed the “shit” agreement and said the eight Senate Democrats gave up the Party'd leverage “when we actually can force Republicans to the table”.

Sen. Chris Murphy (CT) said there was "no way to defend" the yes vote. “My fear is that Trump gets stronger, not weaker, because of this acquiescence”.

Tim Walz also slammed the deal.

Senator Tammy Baldwin, WI US Senator said: “A wink and a nod to deal with this health care crisis later – with no actual guarantees – is just not enough for me or the Wisconsin families I work for. I refuse to sign off on a deal that doesn’t lower working families’ health care costs.”

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they've had decades to come up with a "plan" Skittles Dec 11 #1
No way! ABC123Easy Dec 11 #2
The only saving grace for that bit of bloodless lunacy might be that they lose 50 House seats Volaris Dec 11 #3
Hope you're right ABC123Easy Dec 11 #19
How would continuing the shutdown have realistically changed the vote? EdmondDantes_ Dec 11 #23
The hypothetical is that if they had waited 10 more days or so until holiday air traffic was locked up Volaris Dec 11 #29
Not so fast ABC123Easy Dec 12 #30
That still doesn't attempt to demonstrate how you get to them voting for it with a longer shutdown EdmondDantes_ Dec 12 #32
It does ABC123Easy Dec 12 #35
"We have a plan" sez the TOP (tRunp's Own Party) TexLaProgressive Dec 11 #4
Republicans will end up killing people. Emile Dec 11 #5
Ending the shutdown guaranteed this result. I'm losing my health insurance Arazi Dec 11 #6
There was one poster that basically tried guilting others for opposing the capitulation fujiyamasan Dec 11 #24
No one could have seen that coming. BlueTsunami2018 Dec 11 #7
here again are the 8 Dem caucus Senators and the 6 Dem House members who caved in on the shutdown and got us to here Celerity Dec 11 #8
Lets not kid ourselves.... we would be here either way. FascismIsDeath Dec 11 #11
We were assured Dem leadership knew what they were doing Arazi Dec 11 #13
And of course we knew Thune was doing nothing more than amusing himself. FascismIsDeath Dec 11 #15
I disagree with that. Welcome to DU btw. Celerity Dec 11 #14
So if you disagree with that... FascismIsDeath Dec 11 #16
We will never know because of the 8 Dem Senate cavers. The polls were trending more & more against Trump and the Rehugs Celerity Dec 11 #18
I appreciate all the links but I am fully aware of all of the condemnation. FascismIsDeath Dec 11 #21
We need to hammer this next year moose65 Dec 11 #9
On the bright side SocialDemocrat61 Dec 11 #10
Ffs, people are going to fucking die because of this Arazi Dec 11 #12
That may happen regardless SocialDemocrat61 Dec 11 #22
They had control of congress a few years ago when they made them temporary with an expiration date. MichMan Dec 11 #25
So? SocialDemocrat61 Dec 11 #27
The point is that we made the extended subsidies expire when we had the majority EdmondDantes_ Dec 12 #34
I understand all that SocialDemocrat61 Dec 12 #36
Don't get sick, folks. MustBeTheBooz Dec 11 #17
Can we say a DEMOCRATIC PARTY Senate? ProudMNDemocrat Dec 11 #20
No surprise! January 30 , another repeat of the government closing Bread and Circuses Dec 11 #26
How many people Traildogbob Dec 11 #28
My heart goes out to you in your Jspur Dec 12 #33
Damn them. Their cruelty has been/is heinous. electric_blue68 Dec 12 #31
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