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cmmngrnd

(31 posts)
7. No evidence of anything "sour" - 5 things to consider
Thu Dec 4, 2025, 01:10 AM
Dec 4

The claim in the source article at This Will Hold (TWH) is that the vote totals jumped from 148,853 at 99.4% reporting to 179,899 at 100%, indicating some kind of ballot stuffing or vote dumping of about 31,000 votes. There is no evidence for this claim.

I do not offer this rebuttal to say that Republicans are not cheating elections. They are already doing so through legislation, specifically gerrymandering and legal barriers to voting. I offer this to try to see clearly what is and isn't happening in elections to give Republicans an unfair advantage. I do not feel it helpful for Democrats to have unsubstantiated vote-flipping or ballot stuffing conspiracy theories mirroring the same conspiracy theories we derided when put forward by Republicans.

1. TWH does not offer any evidence for their claim. They show one graphic from NBC showing a vote total of 179,889 but do not show a timeline of when votes were reported. A timeline is needed to show the jump from 148,853 to 179,899. They also show a graphic of voter turnout (x-axis) vs vote percent by party (y-axis) for only one county. This graph shows that when voter turnout increases, the Republicans do better. This does not have any bearing on the primary claim regarding the 31,000 votes. (Note: It actually makes sense that in a region where Republican registration outnumbers Democratic, the more people that vote means the vote totals mirror the registration totals. )

2. DDHQ, a cited source in the article, does not offer evidence for the claim. The numbers presented were taken from the Decision Desk Headquarters (DDHQ). The only graphic shows 179,899 votes with ">95%" reporting. There is no timeline, which again is needed to show the 31,000 vote jump.

3. The local Democratic party has observers during the entire voting process. They observe polling stations during early voting, during same day voting, and during mail in ballot acceptance and counting. These people are deeply familiar with Tennessee law and voting processes. If they are not raising alarms, then there are likely no alarms to raise. It is unlikely that people not intimately affiliated with the local elections are going to find any anomalies the Democrats on site missed. The Shelby County elections commission site has a great explainer of the voting process from start to finish.

4. Per Tennessee law, all elections are subject to audit as a routine part of the process, and Democrats participate in the audit process. The selection of what is audited is random, which makes it harder to hide cheating. (Note: This appears to be a standard procedure nationally. I know we do the same in Florida.)

5. There is no motivation for the local Republican party to violate Tennessee law and make national news. This is a heavily gerrymandered district in a reliably Republican state. As much as Behn outperformed past elections, there was little risk to the Republicans that they would lose a fair election. They had no need to cheat.

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Good luck proving it. Something sure is sour. CaliforniaPeggy Dec 3 #1
Every time I have voted here, this is what happens: SheltieLover Dec 3 #2
In Illinois, there is a drawing to determine the ballot order. murielm99 Dec 4 #4
Yes I know. Spent most of my life in the Chgo burbs SheltieLover Dec 4 #5
Work to change the laws? murielm99 Dec 4 #6
Not me. SheltieLover Dec 4 #10
This again iemanja Dec 4 #3
No evidence of anything "sour" - 5 things to consider cmmngrnd Dec 4 #7
Thanks!!! reACTIONary Dec 4 #9
The Republican was ahead by 15 points iemanja Dec 4 #11
That shift was because the most heavily blue district (Nashville) took the longest to count and report. TheRickles Dec 4 #26
They had no need to cheat. NJCher Dec 4 #13
A timeline isn't needed. It's simple math. First they say only 1800 votes left then it jumps up LymphocyteLover Dec 4 #17
No evidence of a 31,000 vote jump cmmngrnd Dec 4 #19
Idk about the OPs claim but I was tracking NYTs county results and they had it at more than 95% reporting even tho SSJVegeta Dec 4 #22
yes, I agree with the idea that these media sites likely have imperfect counts LymphocyteLover Dec 4 #31
I mean they often report based on percentage of precincts reporting. SSJVegeta Dec 4 #33
The claim of 148,853 votes tallied with 99.4% reporting is in the black DDHQ graphic at the top LymphocyteLover Dec 4 #32
I don't see it FBaggins Dec 4 #34
Gotcha. My bad. I was focusing on the votes and not the % LymphocyteLover Dec 5 #39
No it's not. Wiz Imp Dec 4 #36
Yes, my bad LymphocyteLover Dec 5 #40
Thank you! TheRickles Dec 4 #27
Jeeze, not this shit again. reACTIONary Dec 4 #8
You're going to get NJCher Dec 4 #14
Every county in TN 7 uses some form of paper ballot cmmngrnd Dec 4 #21
Well that's awkward for the conspiracy theories EdmondDantes_ Dec 4 #25
I'm sure she'll be self deleting now iemanja Dec 4 #29
I read they bought touchscreens with huge paper rolls that record the voters selections questionseverything Dec 4 #35
Partially Correct cmmngrnd Dec 5 #38
Shelbe Co. uses paper ballots, so... reACTIONary Dec 4 #23
This message was self-deleted by its author iemanja Dec 4 #28
They dont actually know how many ballots are left. Sometimes there are more than they think. Sometimes less. SSJVegeta Dec 4 #12
We lost Greg_In_SF Dec 4 #15
This Will Hold has become BlueAnon, pushing CT election denialism far too often. If Kari Lake was a Dem, she'd lead it. Celerity Dec 4 #16
Link? NJCher Dec 4 #18
the attacks are the logical implications of the This Will Hold claims, I already stated that clearly in my reply Celerity Dec 4 #24
This is why I keep conspiracy bananas on the counter Sympthsical Dec 4 #20
Was Elon around? travelingthrulife Dec 4 #30
This Will Hold has zero credibility Wiz Imp Dec 4 #37
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