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haele

(14,970 posts)
4. The earnings test in the "BBBs " is that if....
Sun Nov 23, 2025, 04:00 PM
Nov 23

If a program's graduates earn less than if they hadn't enrolled, that program shouldn't be eligible for a federal student loan.
Okay, doesn't sound too bad, but...
You have other federal programs out there that encourage professionals and retirees to "pick up the slack" in some careers - like Education (Teach for America ring any bells?). Or the Government can determine that AI can backfill other career paths, meaning you don't need as many actually trained and educated mathematicians, or engineers, or service -including Medical Service - professionals, so who needs a Master's Degree when online Tech Training or Community College can bring an entry level employee up to speed.

My stepdaughter just became a licenced "Certified Behavioral Therapist", which used to require a 3 year Special Education program at a CC or Jr. College, similar to Certified Substitute Teacher. She only had to take 55 hours of Child Development 101 and the legal requirements for certification training; 45 online and 10 hours Red Cross Basic Medical and First Aid training.

I'm not saying she's not capable to do the job, but I'm not sure she has sufficient training and education to recognize when she's in over her head, and since she's working with Autistic and non-verbal kids, it can be really easy to be thrust into deep water - especially dealing with parents who might have different expectations that the employer and school district.

Conclusion added as edit -
Basically, if the Federal Government -the Department of "Labor" working with the Department of "Education", determine that a month or two of tech/familiarization certification training school or an online testing program similar to CLEP is a sufficient substitute for four to six years of education and a degree for an entry level position, that's the way their student loan policy will be enacted.
No more $75k or $150k loans for an engineer or nurse. $5k for a certificate from Trump U that says "yup, you can go apply somewhere now"...

How would an "earnings test" wipe out entire professions? sop Nov 23 #1
It's in the video synni Nov 23 #2
The earnings test in the "BBBs " is that if.... haele Nov 23 #4
Thanks sop Nov 23 #5
After looking at AI definition of "earnings test," if a student I'd like to know what programs Silent Type Nov 23 #3
Seems reasonable if the intent is to not burden students with loans that they can't pay back MichMan Nov 23 #6
You think that's their intent? Wiz Imp Nov 23 #10
When is anything with this administration "in plain sight"? slightlv Nov 23 #12
That was my first thought when I first heard about this. Biophilic Nov 23 #19
I agree with you, slightly. Diamond_Dog Nov 23 #29
Interestingly, a good share of these professionals are mandatory reporters. AllyCat Nov 23 #14
Exactly right Cirsium Nov 23 #21
I wish you were kidding Cirsium Nov 23 #20
Unrec iemanja Nov 23 #23
You might be right MichMan Nov 23 #26
They pay it back. iemanja Nov 23 #28
I don't see nursing mentioned at all in the OP MichMan Nov 23 #30
It was covered in another OP iemanja Nov 23 #31
My reply to the OP was in regard to the OP, not some other post MichMan Nov 23 #32
That was an Onion satire piece. Believable, but luckily not real. nt SomewhereInTheMiddle Nov 25 #37
CBS news is reporting it iemanja Nov 26 #41
Thanks. I had not seen that. SomewhereInTheMiddle Nov 26 #42
It makes sense to me if these degrees are failing to payoff of loans. Melon Nov 24 #35
The issue is the timeframe... Prairie Gates Nov 23 #7
This! jmbar2 Nov 23 #9
Nursing is an interesting example. markodochartaigh Nov 23 #17
I know a career nurse who was well-employed with an AA jmbar2 Nov 23 #22
I have an associate's in nursing. markodochartaigh Nov 23 #27
Any field that is traditionally female. KentuckyWoman Nov 23 #8
Oh yeah Starbeach Nov 23 #11
This NotHardly Nov 23 #16
Are they planning to also pay men enough to support a family on one income? 🤨 ShazzieB Nov 23 #25
Many Women Have Neither Husbands Nor Families. N/T. ColoringFool Nov 23 #34
Very true. ShazzieB Nov 25 #36
Typical of the far right, and of bankers Warpy Nov 23 #13
if job training and income are the main criteria... mike_c Nov 23 #15
Isn't this particular policy related to graduate programs? Iris Nov 23 #24
Four to Six year programs. My four year bachelor program was not graduate, but it would be cut. haele Nov 25 #38
What was your undergrad in? Iris Nov 25 #39
General studies - :). I needed a BS degree to advance in my job. haele Nov 25 #40
The end of equal opportunity Puppyjive Nov 23 #18
Absolutely idiotic Joinfortmill Nov 23 #33
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