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BeyondGeography

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Thu Jul 17, 2025, 03:21 AM Jul 2025

I'm a Genocide Scholar. I Know It When I See It. [View all]

By Omer Bartov
Dr. Bartov is a professor of Holocaust and genocide studies at Brown University

A month after the Hamas attack on Israel on Oct. 7, 2023, I believed there was evidence that the Israeli military had committed war crimes and potentially crimes against humanity in its counterattack on Gaza. But contrary to the cries of Israel’s fiercest critics, the evidence did not seem to me to rise to the crime of genocide. By May 2024, the Israel Defense Forces had ordered about one million Palestinians sheltering in Rafah — the southernmost and last remaining relatively undamaged city of the Gaza Strip — to move to the beach area of the Mawasi, where there was little to no shelter. The army then proceeded to destroy much of Rafah, a feat mostly accomplished by August.

At that point it appeared no longer possible to deny that the pattern of I.D.F. operations was consistent with the statements denoting genocidal intent made by Israeli leaders in the days after the Hamas attack. Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu had promised that the enemy would pay a “huge price” for the attack and that the I.D.F. would turn parts of Gaza, where Hamas was operating, “into rubble,” and he called on “the residents of Gaza” to “leave now because we will operate forcefully everywhere.”

Mr. Netanyahu had urged his citizens to remember “what Amalek did to you,” a quote many interpreted as a reference to the demand in a biblical passage calling for the Israelites to “kill alike men and women, infants and sucklings” of their ancient enemy. Government and military officials said they were fighting “human animals” and, later, called for “total annihilation.” Nissim Vaturi, the deputy speaker of Parliament, said on X that Israel’s task must be “erasing the Gaza Strip from the face of the earth.” Israel’s actions could be understood only as the implementation of the expressed intent to make the Gaza Strip uninhabitable for its Palestinian population. I believe the goal was — and remains today — to force the population to leave the Strip altogether or, considering that it has nowhere to go, to debilitate the enclave through bombings and severe deprivation of food, clean water, sanitation and medical aid to such an extent that it is impossible for Palestinians in Gaza to maintain or reconstitute their existence as a group.
My inescapable conclusion has become that Israel is committing genocide against the Palestinian people. Having grown up in a Zionist home, lived the first half of my life in Israel, served in the I.D.F. as a soldier and officer and spent most of my career researching and writing on war crimes and the Holocaust, this was a painful conclusion to reach, and one that I resisted as long as I could. But I have been teaching classes on genocide for a quarter of a century. I can recognize one when I see one.

…The continued denial of this designation by states, international organizations and legal and scholarly experts will cause unmitigated damage not just to the people of Gaza and Israel but also to the system of international law established in the wake of the horrors of the Holocaust, designed to prevent such atrocities from happening ever again. It is a threat to the very foundations of the moral order on which we all depend.

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/07/15/opinion/israel-gaza-holocaust-genocide-palestinians.html?unlocked_article_code=1.XE8.cWEd.pnyuFpNwdv5F&smid=nytcore-ios-share&referringSource=articleShare
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K & R Celerity Jul 2025 #1
"The Holy Land" Skittles Jul 2025 #2
The author is not wrong irisblue Jul 2025 #3
I am not a genocide scholar but I know genocide malaise Jul 2025 #4
K & R democrank Jul 2025 #5
I haven't seen any... druidity33 Jul 2025 #6
And you will see even fewer of them. I found it utterly useless to counter opinions with facts. Beastly Boy Jul 2025 #11
Nah. When neither facts nor morality are on your side, I'd be quiet too. AloeVera Jul 2025 #24
Facts are on my side allright. I keep citing them again and again. Beastly Boy Jul 2025 #29
With facts such as the ADL got canceled its a wonder anyone can even think of debating you. Eko Jul 2025 #31
Ten minutes later, and your post didn't age well, did it? Beastly Boy Jul 2025 #32
Mine aged very well. Eko Jul 2025 #34
I see you are a big fan of rapid aging. Beastly Boy Jul 2025 #35
I can tell you that I am not a fan of using right wing slogans. Eko Jul 2025 #36
It's not genocide. nt LexVegas Jul 2025 #13
You've convinced me with that compelling argument!! Violet_Crumble Jul 2025 #43
Some of those same people are saying ethnic cleansing isn't taking place, either Rob H. Jul 2025 #18
It's an academic argument... druidity33 Jul 2025 #19
You are exactly right! Violet_Crumble Jul 2025 #44
K&R spanone Jul 2025 #7
The author admits that he is offering an opinion that is contrary to most other sources Beastly Boy Jul 2025 #8
Why let that get in the way of the "concern"? nt LexVegas Jul 2025 #9
Haaretz has some facts too BeyondGeography Jul 2025 #12
And these facts are consistent with urban warfare involving human shields, not genocide. Beastly Boy Jul 2025 #14
Haaretz has reported extensively on the IDF's use of Palestinians as human shields BeyondGeography Jul 2025 #16
And your point is... what? Beastly Boy Jul 2025 #17
You didn't read the article too closely, or something. AloeVera Jul 2025 #22
Ah, thanks for bringing these passages to my attention. Beastly Boy Jul 2025 #37
This message was self-deleted by its author Ken Dayenu Jul 2025 #41
Why would you say that? Is it the volume of links? Violet_Crumble Jul 2025 #42
Gee, who should I listen to? A genocide expert or an "emotional healing" blogger? AloeVera Jul 2025 #23
Gaza 2035: A Beacon of Peace and Prosperity in the Flourishing Middle East by Seth Eisenberg - cliffside Jul 2025 #25
Unbelievable. AloeVera Jul 2025 #28
Spinmeister sounds right to me! "Donald Tump Square" :( nt cliffside Jul 2025 #30
Between the two, the 'emotional healing" blogger appears to be more trustworthy and objective. Beastly Boy Jul 2025 #38
Domicide should be listed as a war crime too when it's this widespread uponit7771 Jul 2025 #10
Especially when it's domicide in aid of ethnic cleansing. AloeVera Jul 2025 #21
Omer Bartov is an incredible man and scholar I have been reading and listening to for years. His book, Nanjeanne Jul 2025 #15
Kicked and recommended Uncle Joe Jul 2025 #20
Bookmarked underpants Jul 2025 #26
Thanks for sharing the full article! Below is an interview from 7/17 ... cliffside Jul 2025 #27
Netanyahu - Trump - Putin - it's all connnected. Initech Jul 2025 #33
Genocides have a long history. The roots always seem to be based in nationalism religion, and fear. Ping Tung Jul 2025 #39
Kick LymphocyteLover Jul 2025 #40
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