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H2O Man

(78,753 posts)
96. I am so
Wed Jul 2, 2025, 06:46 PM
Jul 2025

darned old that I remember that in the 1960s and early '70s, not everyone in my generation subscribed to exactly the same values and beliefs as did the older generation. This actually caused a tad bit of friction -- and I know that you know -- from super tables to the Pentagon. I'll include in school, since when I was in 5th grade, a guy coach beat the shit out of me in an empty hallway after school. He hated my "long hair," bangs a half-inch above my eyebrows.

I was lucky my father wasn't picking me up that day. He surely would have walked me back into that empty hallway, and inflicted more damage. Instead, my older brother came. He was a professional boxer, with longer hair than mine. He had me wait outside. Maybe 15 minutes, he came out, his hair messed up, shirt torn, and one of the biggest smiles in human history tugging on his face. The coach pretended to like me after that, displaying the exact level of cowardice of a man willing to humiliate himself.

(Growing up on a rural family farm in the upstate wilderness, my brothers & I engaged in the debating, arguing, and fighting common among the Feral Irish of the day. It was entertaining to watch big red necks who had no idea who he was to start fights with him. This made him better known, and no sane person wanted to cross him. Soon, as he seemed to be lookinjg for excuses for street fights, we began to ponder: who is the redneck? I loved the guy. He dies of head injuries sustained in fights he won. Our cousin Jim was the head of neurology at Temple, and I appreciated him explaning what was happening along that sad path.)

Now, I boxed from the age of four until my late teens. Every generation of the family had at least one boxer. I fought 329 bouts, on "bootleg," club, AAU, and professional cards. I only lost 9 fights, and reversed three of those. I was feaured in a top boxing magazine at age 13. Thus, though I try to be & do better, at my advanced age, I still have supreme confidence in my own thinking. I had consider suing Howard Cosell for a quote on the back of his best book: "Arrogant, pompous, obnoxious, vain, cruel, verbose, a sow-off. I have been called all of these. Of course, I am." Immediately, upon reading these words, I identified. I decided not to sue, only because the book was published before awakening to what an ass I was!

Yes, I do remember those years. I remember smoking pot with Abbie Hoffman. Spending an evening talking with Angela Davis. Playing (once) with David Peel & the Lower East Side Gang. Sit-ins. Monkey warfare. And wondering how two of my BCI Senior Investigators seemed to know how much I was doing? My father and his 13 siblings were first generation. That meant more law enforcement/intelligence in one generation than the non-Irish families experienced at the time.

Thus, my father told me I could no longer be friends with Rubin "Hurricane" Carter any more. Again, teens at that time didn't always follow the rules. This, despite my father telling me he could tell Rubin was a murderer by just looking at him. In a short time, I was working with Rubin's defense. The guy he was accused of being confessed on his death bed. Rubin and I were close friends until his death. I could list quite a few things that Rubin & I worked on in his "second life."

I've done legal work for the Onondaga Nation's Council of Chiefs. Served as Chief Waterman's top aide for decades. Worked on environmental projects for decades. I found page 100,556 was missing in the documents the government made public on a case that found its way to federal court. I did a successful hunger strike per an important environmental case a few years back, when a state mobster, er, senator (he died before his appeal was heard) refused to meet with environmental leaders.

I think activism comes in many forms. I think the numbers of people attending rallies and contacting elected representatives is a good thing. But there needs to be a step up now. And that, in the opinion of myself and others, that it us old people that have to put the tactics of Gandhi and King into practice. We know there are shit-stirrers looking to try to be tricky and lead us all astray. But talking about the White Album, Nixon, and the absolutely cool things we did isn't the lesson we need to teach by putting into practice. Sitting-in on the front line. Risking the ER, jail, or the cemetery. That is a fucking huge responsibility. It's a fucking lot to ask of old people.

Bloody Christ, we all have aches and pains from our youthful adventures. They came back to visit us between the ages of 35 and 40, and then moved back into our bodies full fucking time at the age of 50. It's not like they even contribute on the rent! Arthritis is a free-loader, making us pay the medical bills they cause! I say kick arthritis clear out of the Democratic Party!

And what of the children? Especially all of our grandchildren. And all of the Faces of the Next Seven Generations coming up through the ground. I want to teach my grandchildren that gardening is a spiritual experience. But at this time, there is something else we need to do for them, because of how much we love them.

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3 members have recommended this reply (displayed in chronological order):

You mean Medicaid, right? Ocelot II Jul 2025 #1
We're dying off. Some would say finally. So we have less power and we aren't used to it. scipan Jul 2025 #2
What do we have to offer the young? LuvLoogie Jul 2025 #3
It isn't the Democratic party who is offering them those things.... Jack Valentino Jul 2025 #7
Neither is the party, as a whole, nor with leadership, standing in the gap. LuvLoogie Jul 2025 #47
what do you mean, WE Skittles Jul 2025 #129
Younger people need to realize that they too will get older and need those services. totodeinhere Jul 2025 #4
that concept is lost on young people, just like it was for us when we were that age. Mother Nature gives the young a msfiddlestix Jul 2025 #40
They also need to realize that this will affect their... sheshe2 Jul 2025 #80
Any insight on how screwed young people have been by older people? RockRaven Jul 2025 #5
I know right? meadowlander Jul 2025 #12
I find these arguments that ascribe generational blame to be singularly unhelpful, not to mention inaccurate markpkessinger Jul 2025 #44
Yes Starbeach Jul 2025 #52
But clearly not enough to take issue with the OP blaming young voters for Trump's Medicaid cuts. meadowlander Jul 2025 #58
Yes it was the ww2 generation that brought us Reagan blubunyip Jul 2025 #59
Right. H2O Man Jul 2025 #61
I would suggest a more significant issue is people ignoring the historical context, refusing to take responsibility for meadowlander Jul 2025 #92
Beautiful! H2O Man Jul 2025 #128
Amen. 58Sunliner Jul 2025 #93
Thank you. H2O Man Jul 2025 #60
That's wedge politics - a backlash against the 1960s and progressive politics Sparkly Jul 2025 #99
But younger people are a monolith? Ilikepurple Jul 2025 #107
Did I say that? Sparkly Jul 2025 #113
Gen X'er here... That was my immediate thought. VegasVet Jul 2025 #101
You are misinformed Fiendish Thingy Jul 2025 #6
We certainly should give them more heed, since they are the only possible future Jack Valentino Jul 2025 #8
Thank you. H2O Man Jul 2025 #62
If they care, why'd they stay home? Sparkly Jul 2025 #76
Go back and reread my post Fiendish Thingy Jul 2025 #78
You think they'll learn this time? Sparkly Jul 2025 #91
See last week's NYC primary Fiendish Thingy Jul 2025 #95
As a former Manhattanite Sparkly Jul 2025 #97
this seems backward to me quakerboy Jul 2025 #9
Those senators have "free" healthcare. Justice matters. Jul 2025 #15
This. Considering how old the Republicans pushing this shit that will throw seniors into the street are themselves, I Karasu Jul 2025 #16
or if only the over 65 had voted for kamala quakerboy Jul 2025 #20
This message was self-deleted by its author krkaufman Jul 2025 #17
Whatever young voters voted for Trump and Republicans, I think Jack Valentino Jul 2025 #10
This message was self-deleted by its author krkaufman Jul 2025 #19
... Prairie Gates Jul 2025 #11
Just another splinter cultivated by Republicans to keep America divided and distracted. live love laugh Jul 2025 #13
Uh huh orangecrush Jul 2025 #14
This old person remembers trying to B.See Jul 2025 #18
Maybe they don't want to wait for inheritance. Buddyzbuddy Jul 2025 #21
can't read, can't write, can't go 30 seconds without their phone. at least they have tik tok to care for them lol nt msongs Jul 2025 #22
Disappointed to see this from you. If I broadbrush slated old folks using stereotypes of them, I'd be roasted alive here Celerity Jul 2025 #25
Jesus Fucking Christ. NT Midwestern Democrat Jul 2025 #26
You're in for a treat when you need them to pick your nursing home and sort your meds Orrex Jul 2025 #28
While yet others use political message boards Torchlight Jul 2025 #32
They were Harris's biggest voting block by age though uponit7771 Jul 2025 #51
I have three Gen Z kids Bettie Jul 2025 #57
Wow blubunyip Jul 2025 #63
Definitely. H2O Man Jul 2025 #64
Meanwhile you have 71,000 posts on DU Hassin Bin Sober Jul 2025 #75
What an unfounded and divisive attack on a whole group. Heidi Jul 2025 #133
De rec X 100 Celerity Jul 2025 #23
Thank you. H2O Man Jul 2025 #65
This message was self-deleted by its author krkaufman Jul 2025 #73
That's some high-octane bullshit there in that OP. Mister Ed Jul 2025 #24
Truth. H2O Man Jul 2025 #66
Golly! And after the older generations have done so much for them! Orrex Jul 2025 #27
Ungrateful kids! H2O Man Jul 2025 #67
After women's reproductive freedom is gone nationally, Sparkly Jul 2025 #84
You are silly! H2O Man Jul 2025 #88
Thank you for your service Sparkly Jul 2025 #90
I am so H2O Man Jul 2025 #96
You got in trouble for long hair and got out of things with boxing?? Sparkly Jul 2025 #98
Oh, I did. H2O Man Jul 2025 #104
I believe you are dodging the point. Sparkly Jul 2025 #112
Nope. H2O Man Jul 2025 #119
I don't read any understanding of social issues, sorry. Sparkly Jul 2025 #126
Right. H2O Man Jul 2025 #135
Please tell me what political activism you engaged in that would make any of the things I mentioned "silly" Sparkly Jul 2025 #100
Oh dear! H2O Man Jul 2025 #105
Oh my! Sparkly Jul 2025 #115
Oh, it is! H2O Man Jul 2025 #120
You've used "attractive" and now "unattractive" as adjectives. Sparkly Jul 2025 #125
I'm old & long retired. H2O Man Jul 2025 #127
:snort: Stinky The Clown Jul 2025 #121
Always. H2O Man Jul 2025 #122
Wrong as usual. RandiFan1290 Jul 2025 #29
Good to see I am not the only one to see a pattern here. Celerity Jul 2025 #45
Seriously. H2O Man Jul 2025 #68
Simple OC375 Jul 2025 #30
Yes, but H2O Man Jul 2025 #69
this shit is so tired WhiskeyGrinder Jul 2025 #31
Any solutions to provide these asserted divisions? Torchlight Jul 2025 #33
This is completely lost, and if the Dem leadership remains the same nothing substantial Passages Jul 2025 #34
Hell yes! There it is. Autumn Jul 2025 #37
And the music they listen to! So loud! Have you seen how they dress? Indecent! And their hair? Long, short, and Solly Mack Jul 2025 #35
One of the things H2O Man Jul 2025 #71
And walking faster means they get there first. The nerve! No shame. Solly Mack Jul 2025 #85
Entitled brats, I tell you! H2O Man Jul 2025 #87
Did you say party? Woohoo! Solly Mack Jul 2025 #89
I think it breaks down to older voters don't care what younger voters need. Autumn Jul 2025 #36
We need to stop this generational blaming. The main problems are income inequality travelingthrulife Jul 2025 #38
ABSOLUTELY! blubunyip Jul 2025 #70
This old person feels old people have abandoned the young. Nanjeanne Jul 2025 #39
Interesting spin... seems to me a good portion of older voters turned on themselves. Chakaconcarne Jul 2025 #41
Young people voted for Harris, it was the over 50 crowd that elected Trump Johnny2X2X Jul 2025 #42
Yep, I thought boomers broke towards Harris they didn't... Just damn uponit7771 Jul 2025 #50
Or, comparing 2004 and 2024 CNN exit poll data muriel_volestrangler Jul 2025 #72
Only GenX broke towards Putin's Puppet, they literally were the deciding votes uponit7771 Jul 2025 #43
That is not true. AP Votecast: 45yo to 64yo went for Trump +6, and 65yo and up went Trump +4 Celerity Jul 2025 #46
Damn that's worse than I thought, GenX broke towards TFG hard followed by boomers.. dann uponit7771 Jul 2025 #49
After the 2022 midterms I started to sound the alarm on Gen X and also (well before even then) Latino voters and younger Celerity Jul 2025 #55
Yep, the right has been aiming SM code hard at men mostly mysogonostic content uponit7771 Jul 2025 #74
That's a wild way of looking at it. pinkstarburst Jul 2025 #48
I feel its a bit more complicated than that. Samael13 Jul 2025 #53
Completely unsubstantiated proposition Patton French Jul 2025 #54
The claim doesn't fit with reality voters below 50 voted for Harris standingtall Jul 2025 #56
These younger adults might have to take in their grandparents and parents in if things get back and we'll go back kimbutgar Jul 2025 #77
I didn't know lovesfruit Jul 2025 #79
The fact that there are few engaged "younger people" indicates the issue. Sparkly Jul 2025 #94
Just because young people lovesfruit Jul 2025 #109
I really don't care where you hang out. Sparkly Jul 2025 #110
I can't speak for all of my age bracket lovesfruit Jul 2025 #114
It's all about voting, if nothing else. Sparkly Jul 2025 #116
Congress critters lovesfruit Jul 2025 #123
I've been feeling so alone! vanessa_ca Jul 2025 #124
Reddit, Discord, Facebook, my "mom group" lovesfruit Jul 2025 #132
Medicaid cuts will be devastating to the nursing home industry TexasBushwhacker Jul 2025 #81
Wait till the nursing homes close on their grandparents and blm Jul 2025 #82
They just don't know WSHazel Jul 2025 #83
In my small world I don't see this. KentuckyWoman Jul 2025 #86
Oh, gee! And we've been so warm and welcoming to our younger members! Iggo Jul 2025 #102
As I recall, Gen X was the most disappointing group in the general election tulipsandroses Jul 2025 #103
Social media really, really, really fucked things up for the worst. Initech Jul 2025 #106
when have older and younger voters ever coincided with voting preferences? Takket Jul 2025 #108
General question lovesfruit Jul 2025 #111
My simple answer is YES! nt cliffside Jul 2025 #117
I try to welcome young people with open arms and, more importantly, Heidi Jul 2025 #130
Thank you lovesfruit Jul 2025 #131
sorry, but this is just divisive bullshit fishwax Jul 2025 #118
Thank you for courageously stepping up to further divide our party and DU. (nt) Heidi Jul 2025 #134
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