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Eko

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136. I'm just trying to figure this out.

Fri Jun 6, 2025, 10:14 PM

Jun 2025

-So if you are Jewish you can go to Israel unless you believe in a different religion or protest their actions in the Gaza war.
-The same amount of Jewish people live in America as Israel.
-You can be any religion and (supposedly) be against Americas actions and come to America but,
- You have to be no religion or a specific religion and support the Israel government to go to Israel.
Notwithstanding what some people said a long time ago just going by the logic of it I would say that America is at least as much a Jewish state as Israel. As many live here as there and more types of Jewish people can come live here than Israel.
So if its not the amount of Jewish people or the inclusion of all Jewish people what makes it a Jewish State?
Its not religious cause you can be an Atheist.
Is it really cause some people said it was a long time ago?

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NYC mayoral candidate Mamdani again refuses to acknowledge Israel's existence as a Jewish state [View all] JohnSJ Jun 2025 OP

Anybody of note endorsing this one? SheltieLover Jun 2025 #1

AOC just endorsed him SocialDemocrat61 Jun 2025 #3

Seriously? Not a good look for her imo, given this op SheltieLover Jun 2025 #6

For the office NYC Mayor SocialDemocrat61 Jun 2025 #8

Don't you think there is a significant Jewish population in NYC who would take issue with this? SheltieLover Jun 2025 #9

That's a political consideration SocialDemocrat61 Jun 2025 #11

Of course not, but demographics is always a factor SheltieLover Jun 2025 #14

Again, a political consideration SocialDemocrat61 Jun 2025 #20

But is a very bad look overall for a prominent Dem to support an anti-semetic, esp in these nazi times SheltieLover Jun 2025 #24

He's Pro Palestinian SocialDemocrat61 Jun 2025 #25

Bad look for any prominent Dem to support this person, including AOC. SheltieLover Jun 2025 #26

The issue is still irrelevant SocialDemocrat61 Jun 2025 #27

Absolutely incorrect imo. Congrats you made the full ignore list. SheltieLover Jun 2025 #29

NYC Mayor has nothing to do with foreign policy SocialDemocrat61 Jun 2025 #32

That is a narrow minded view, not a fact. See post 121. Beastly Boy Jun 2025 #122

I am normally a big fan of AOC, BlueKota Jun 2025 #76

He is not Palestinian. He is Indian JI7 Jun 2025 #28

Thank you JustAnotherGen Jun 2025 #30

Thanks for the correction. SocialDemocrat61 Jun 2025 #33

"Palestinians are semetic." And? EX500rider Jun 2025 #37

He's not Palestinian. He was born in Uganda. His mother was born in India, and his father is an Indian heritage Ugandan. lapucelle Jun 2025 #38

So Mamdani helped Taco Hell Win MI.. Cha Jun 2025 #120

That is an incredibly edhopper Jun 2025 #55

No the term has been co-opted SocialDemocrat61 Jun 2025 #65

You can't even spell Semitic correctly onenote Jun 2025 #90

Thanks SocialDemocrat61 Jun 2025 #96

Nevertheless, they are not subject to antisemitism. Beastly Boy Jun 2025 #127

Keep splitting those hairs. RandySF Jun 2025 #61

Maybe SocialDemocrat61 Jun 2025 #66

Mandami is a BDS supporter and the NYC mayor has sway in where pension funds as invested. lapucelle Jun 2025 #86

So if he endorsed Russia using nukes on Ukraine onenote Jun 2025 #92

It is unrelated SocialDemocrat61 Jun 2025 #95

So that's a yes onenote Jun 2025 #99

It's irrelevant SocialDemocrat61 Jun 2025 #100

You don't really get it, do you. Things, POVs, etc "bleed" into each other...even if there are no foreign policy.... electric_blue68 Jun 2025 #152

I get that it's completely irrelevant SocialDemocrat61 Jun 2025 #153

Nope. It is relevant. Bye electric_blue68 Jun 2025 #154

It's irrelevant SocialDemocrat61 Jun 2025 #155

Antisemitism The Revolution Jun 2025 #84

One would think that by now Mossfern Jun 2025 #87

People sadly do not realize when they use "semitic" as a racial identifier sarisataka Jun 2025 #94

So people who speak a semitic language can't be antisemites? Mosby Jun 2025 #93

Millions of Palestinians live either in Israel, or Crunchy Frog Jun 2025 #40

Palestinian citizens of Israel have equal rights in Israel. lapucelle Jun 2025 #43

Not according to most independent human rights groups SSJVegeta Jun 2025 #52

Amnesty International seems unaware that Israel was founded as a Jewish state in 1948. lapucelle Jun 2025 #73

Being a Jewish state doesnt give them the right commit apartheid SSJVegeta Jun 2025 #75

It's still better than all their neighboring states including Palestine JI7 Jun 2025 #81

What apartheid would that be? lapucelle Jun 2025 #85

The one outlined in the Amnesty report. SSJVegeta Jun 2025 #88

Sorry, but Amnesty didn't get to redefine apartheid in 2022 lapucelle Jun 2025 #104

Good thing they didnt, then. SSJVegeta Jun 2025 #105

They admit redefining genocide on page 101 of that report. lapucelle Jun 2025 #107

Can you name a western democracy that wasnt a close ally of Israel who repudiated the report? SSJVegeta Jun 2025 #108

What are you talking about at this point? lapucelle Jun 2025 #110

Oxfam, UNICEF, Human Rights Watch, Amnesty International SSJVegeta Jun 2025 #124

Thanks elleng Jun 2025 #134

This is absurd. A nyc mayor doesn't conduct foreihn policy, but a mayor's duties directly affect US foreign policy. Beastly Boy Jun 2025 #121

Yeah, personally I think its Relevant.. It's a Cha Jun 2025 #13

Exactly! I'm not Jewish & I find his remarks highly offensive! SheltieLover Jun 2025 #15

Aloha, Sheltie🌺 Cha Jun 2025 #18

... SheltieLover Jun 2025 #19

Solution? enid602 Jun 2025 #41

Did he say that? Renew Deal Jun 2025 #17

I was informed that Mandani did say that Cha Jun 2025 #48

I think his stand plays very poorly karynnj Jun 2025 #21

Equal rights for all? SocialDemocrat61 Jun 2025 #22

I agree it is something we work towards everywhere karynnj Jun 2025 #23

Does he call for the same from the Islamic states including Palestine ? JI7 Jun 2025 #34

Actually I was informed that Cha Jun 2025 #44

This JNS article seems to have the full conversation on this karynnj Jun 2025 #49

Yeah? What does he have to say about Cha Jun 2025 #50

I have no idea and as I stated in my first post this is not a good position karynnj Jun 2025 #54

Thank You. Cha Jun 2025 #56

If he is genuinely describing his view, Beastly Boy Jun 2025 #133

It is very possible he believes that all countries should have equal rights karynnj Jun 2025 #144

It's one thing to believe that all countries should have equal rights. DENYING a state's right to exist in these grounds Beastly Boy Jun 2025 #146

My point is that he never said he denied Israel's right to exist. karynnj Jun 2025 #148

From the article: Beastly Boy Jun 2025 #149

He did not respond to Israel as a Jewish state karynnj Jun 2025 #150

He was asked to respond to Israel as a Jewish state. He did not. Beastly Boy Jun 2025 #151

He did not say what you quoted. AloeVera Jun 2025 #74

Exactly Goddessartist Jun 2025 #79

That's what disturbs me. What he said. Beastly Boy Jun 2025 #137

Not in NYC. RandySF Jun 2025 #60

Good grief. Oopsie Daisy Jun 2025 #71

AOC Renew Deal Jun 2025 #4

Don't know the guy but what did he actually say? Renew Deal Jun 2025 #2

"When asked to clarify his own position on Israel, a Mamdani aide tried to stop the interview." lapucelle Jun 2025 #42

Mamdani passes on condemning the Holocaust Oopsie Daisy Jun 2025 #72

I hope she reconsiders edhopper Jun 2025 #97

Yes. At this point my esteem for her judgement is at a very low point. Oopsie Daisy Jun 2025 #103

".. Mamdani Passes on Condemning the Holocaust.. " Cha Jun 2025 #118

Ugh! Who else is Running for Mayor Cha Jun 2025 #5

Andrew Cuomo SocialDemocrat61 Jun 2025 #7

Oh my gosh! Cha Jun 2025 #9

Do the voters deserve the blame? Renew Deal Jun 2025 #12

I'm not "blaming" anyone. Just saying Cha Jun 2025 #16

The ads are running non stop JustAnotherGen Jun 2025 #31

Mahalo for the Info, Gen Cha Jun 2025 #45

Mahalo. There are eight candidates in the Democratic primary for mayor. lapucelle Jun 2025 #47

Mahalo, lapucelle! Who Do you Cha Jun 2025 #53

All the pundits are saying it's Cuomo's to lose, but with the ranked choice voting method lapucelle Jun 2025 #69

Ah.. Can you tell me Cha Jun 2025 #70

I like Adrienne Adams as well, Cha. lapucelle Jun 2025 #111

Mahalo Nui Loa, lapucelle! 💛💙 Cha Jun 2025 #117

I like Adrienne Adams. RandySF Jun 2025 #62

Thnks, RandySF... I just looked her up... Cha Jun 2025 #64

Plenty of candidates to choose from Beastly Boy Jun 2025 #139

Tnanks, BB.. I looked up Council Speaker Adrienne Adams Cha Jun 2025 #141

Brad Lander stands out for me. Beastly Boy Jun 2025 #142

Good to know.. TY. Cha Jun 2025 #147

Why is that so hard? mcar Jun 2025 #35

And now he is being interviewed on MSNBC by Jen Szaki. Ugh. madinmaryland Jun 2025 #36

Listening Now... DET Jun 2025 #39

Tested harasser like Cuomo? SocialDemocrat61 Jun 2025 #77

Andrew Cuomo all fhe way! Polybius Jun 2025 #46

If I lived in NYC I'd probably vote for him too fujiyamasan Jun 2025 #145

Wow at people supporting Cuomo JBTaurus83 Jun 2025 #51

But why is he popular ? And he would have beat Trump if he was running against him for President JI7 Jun 2025 #58

Name recognition. SocialDemocrat61 Jun 2025 #67

He did a lot. lapucelle Jun 2025 #113

Unfortunately SocialDemocrat61 Jun 2025 #80

I prefer Mayors to be on the moderate side Polybius Jun 2025 #91

You're a brave one to admit this fujiyamasan Jun 2025 #109

I've got some rather unique views Polybius Jun 2025 #138

I think your views make sense fujiyamasan Jun 2025 #143

This person was on the Psaki show. I had the program on DVR and skipped this segment LetMyPeopleVote Jun 2025 #57

AOC fucked up this time. RandySF Jun 2025 #59

Won't be the last time madville Jun 2025 #63

When you endorse people based on who they SAY they are what they CLAIM to stand for... W_HAMILTON Jun 2025 #116

Muslims not from the Middle East should be no surprise DFW Jun 2025 #68

Interesting how it's never "Since Israel is so awesome, how come we don't have the same healthcare system as them?" ck4829 Jun 2025 #78

"Mamdani is a member of the Democratic Socialists of America... sarisataka Jun 2025 #82

........................ JohnSJ Jun 2025 #83

Every time I hear his name, I think of that Adam Sandler movie Polybius Jun 2025 #89

Whoa, he makes Cuomo look good! flamingdem Jun 2025 #98

Ask him about Utah. Sneederbunk Jun 2025 #101

Thankfully, we have a Constitution that protects us from becoming religious state. Ping Tung Jun 2025 #102

Im confused, are they asking him to say its a theocracy? Is it controlled by the Jewish religion? Eko Jun 2025 #106

Are you really confused? Modern Israel came into existence in 1948 to serve as the homeland for the JohnSJ Jun 2025 #119

Ah. Eko Jun 2025 #125

If they want. What Mamdani is actually calling for is complete rejection of a two-state solution. JohnSJ Jun 2025 #129

Not quite. Eko Jun 2025 #131

Are there more Jewish people in Israel or America? Eko Jun 2025 #130

Half live in Israel, half live in the U.S. Jews historically have been used as scapegoats for the ills of the JohnSJ Jun 2025 #132

I'm just trying to figure this out. Eko Jun 2025 #136

Things changed after October 7 in Israel just as they did in the US after 9/11. JohnSJ Jun 2025 #140

Well that should go over well in New York City. BlueTsunami2018 Jun 2025 #112

I think the moderators were obsessing over the wrong things AZProgressive Jun 2025 #114

Except that isn't quite how it happened. Modern Israel came into existence in 1948 to serve as the homeland JohnSJ Jun 2025 #123

Do you think the Jewish people's right to a homeland supercedes... AloeVera Jun 2025 #135

Oh? Labeling us "Obsessing & moderates"? You have no idea Cha Jun 2025 #126

They've been trained to focus on the wrong things. As nearly all the media. AloeVera Jun 2025 #128

Today's "State of Israel"--- Not like any of the Jews that I know.... Jack Valentino Jun 2025 #115