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highplainsdem

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Fri Jun 6, 2025, 01:54 PM Jun 2025

The Real Reason for the Trump-Musk Feud is Uglier Than You Think (Greg Sargent, The New Republic) + Tomasky [View all]

(Note: There are excerpts from two TNR pieces here - the first by Greg Sargent, the second by Michael Tomasky, which I decided to add after realizing how well it fit with what Sargent wrote.)


https://newrepublic.com/article/196246/real-reason-trump-musk-feud-uglier

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For one thing, both view the state largely as something to capture for themselves—Musk to gain support for his Promethean schemes for the future of “humanity,” and Trump to engage in world-historical self-dealing and corruption. This was neatly captured by Trump’s threat to cancel Musk’s federal contracts. Musk’s visions for space travel and electric vehicles have benefited enormously from federal support over the years. His achievements might not exist without the U.S. state. Yet Musk’s DOGE—with its assault on science, universities, and research and development—would dramatically downsize the state’s role in enabling the future flourishing of countless Americans and in keeping total immiseration and death at bay for the poorest of the poor. As Michelle Goldberg notes, the DOGE boys showed zero curiosity about who is being helped by all that foreign aid, and how.

Musk does have some sort of vision of future human flourishing. But he often talks about keeping alive the human “consciousness,” an oddly cold concept that doesn’t really depend on making the whole world a better and fairer place for living, breathing human beings. It could be kept alive by a select few—some of them on a faraway planet like, say, Mars—once the civilizational dead weight were systematically abandoned, as cutting foreign aid seems like a first step toward doing.

Meanwhile, to Trump, everything involving the state is up for corrupt horse trading and for punishing and extorting enemies. So his immediate instinct was to threaten Musk’s contracts, which Trump can only understand as a form of self-dealing by Musk—one that Trump can take away in a grand dominance display.

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In the end, Musk would use deficit fears to gut the state more thoroughly than Trump would, while Trump seems more focused on dramatically reducing the tax burden of the wealthy and slashing the safety net to pay for it. They are at odds, but mainly because they merely fall at different places on the same spectrum of impulses. And those impulses all tilt toward the same place—toward making our society a less egalitarian, more unequal, meaner, crueler, and much more savage place.



They're both monsters. They both have to be stopped.


Michael Tomasky has some excellent descriptions of them in another new piece for TNR today:

https://newrepublic.com/article/196244/musk-trump-leverage-takedown-feud

For starters, I say Donald Trump is due our congratulations and respect. He finally found a white Afrikaner he’d like to throw out of the country.

The early conventional wisdom on the Trump-Elon Musk divorce is that it was simultaneously shocking and inevitable. I suppose it was both of those things—Musk’s fusillade of tweets Thursday was pretty shocking, especially the Jeffrey Epstein bomb; and it’s true that this was bound to happen one day—no friendship between a ketamine-torqued egomaniac and a sociopathic liar with the emotional architecture of a 5-year-old is destined to go the distance.

Taking a somewhat more historical perspective, this is the feud that Milton Friedman’s America deserves. We’ve now lived through decades in which vast fortunes were amassed and lionized—and, importantly, at least in Trump’s case, inherited and far too lightly taxed. Fred Trump gave Donald over $400 million, adjusting for inflation, when he died in 1999. Errol Musk was an emerald-mine magnate who once bragged that he had “so much money we couldn’t even close our safe,” though the extent to which he supported his son is a matter of heated debate (between them, mostly). Whatever the truth is there, the bottom line is that here we are, stuck with a crooked and stupid billionaire president and a crazed narcissist who could buy several countries fighting over which one has the purer, more Friedmansque-reactionary vision for what the United States should become.

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But any eulogy for this relationship must first and foremost be a eulogy for the United States of America. An amoral billionaire who by rights should have been impeached and barred from running for office for life became president again—legitimately this time, as far as we know—and put the world’s richest multibillionaire in charge of a sensitive task that he oversaw with the delicacy of a hyena stripping a wildebeest carcass clean. Their efforts have already resulted in deaths around the globe and will cause untold harm in this country over time.

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Big LOL!! Bayard Jun 2025 #1
Bookmarked for later. SheltieLover Jun 2025 #2
By now I'd say we're pretty aware flamingdem Jun 2025 #3
Some things require repitition and reinforcement, methinks... yorkster Jun 2025 #6
Repetition, of course... yorkster Jun 2025 #7
"this is the feud that Milton Friedman's America deserves." YES!! Lay it on the doorstep of the house that brought it ! eppur_se_muova Jun 2025 #4
Enjoy your description of the people producing products - machines - software. "Only dividends count" erronis Jun 2025 #24
Why did this article make me think of rzemanfl Jun 2025 #5
Makes me think of Godzilla vs King Kong. BattleRow Jun 2025 #51
Both articles are must reads. Thanks for the links. sop Jun 2025 #8
Yes, I never thought they really liked each other PatSeg Jun 2025 #16
They don't have relationships ToxMarz Jun 2025 #17
Exactly PatSeg Jun 2025 #22
More like "What can I make you do for me." erronis Jun 2025 #26
Especially when it comes to Trump PatSeg Jun 2025 #27
Psychopaths don't like people. They use people and commit crimes against them. Irish_Dem Jun 2025 #29
I agree PatSeg Jun 2025 #31
Yes they are textbook and if I was teaching an Abnormal Psych class I would use them as examples. Irish_Dem Jun 2025 #33
Two drug addicted narcissistic psychopaths were bound to blow up things including each other. Irish_Dem Jun 2025 #28
I Think An Old-Fashioned Dual RobinA Jun 2025 #56
They are cowards. They only like killing people who cannot fight back. Irish_Dem Jun 2025 #57
The forgotten part DENVERPOPS Jun 2025 #9
Yes it is the dysfunctional love triangle from hell. Irish_Dem Jun 2025 #30
The Musk/Silicon Valley (much of it) elitist vision. usonian Jun 2025 #10
There is no honor or loyalty among thieves. SheltieLover Jun 2025 #11
Death is the great equalizer. The poorest and the richest become equally dead. multigraincracker Jun 2025 #12
The rich have more to lose - LATER. dchill Jun 2025 #21
Musk is full of nothing but shit. ananda Jun 2025 #13
Excellent thanks! nt LittleGirl Jun 2025 #14
K & R SunSeeker Jun 2025 #15
I come away from this feeling slightlv Jun 2025 #18
So since you're screwed NJCher Jun 2025 #47
Well, not lay down and enjoy it, as one of those congress critters slightlv Jun 2025 #58
Everyone calls Elon Musk the "richest man in the world" but is it really true? FakeNoose Jun 2025 #19
Forbes and Bloomberg go through the analyses to determine that title. But garbage allegorical oracle Jun 2025 #32
I've often wondered this myself NJCher Jun 2025 #48
To answer your last question: not if they want ACCESS. calimary Jun 2025 #54
KNR and bookmarking for later. niyad Jun 2025 #20
They were both using each other. wnylib Jun 2025 #23
Musk is an idiot. Bluetus Jun 2025 #25
The sun dying or better going red giant is billions of years in the future Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Jun 2025 #40
And the cost of building a habitat on Mars is probably 10,000X the cost of Bluetus Jun 2025 #43
The Mars thing NJCher Jun 2025 #49
Trump, Putin and Netanyaho all need each other Bluetus Jun 2025 #52
The secret each is struggling to keep Metaphorical Jun 2025 #34
.... sprinkleeninow Jun 2025 #35
There are some things that are so blatant that there is no excuse for ignoring them. Bluetus Jun 2025 #45
I concur with the bulk of your thesis. Hugin Jun 2025 #36
Thank you...for basically writing out my 2am thoughts FirstLight Jun 2025 #38
I like the way you think. vanlassie Jun 2025 #39
Brilliant analysis - Recommended FakeNoose Jun 2025 #41
Very well put!! Reading more in the morning... FirstLight Jun 2025 #37
It might help NJCher Jun 2025 #50
Defenintly keep us posted! I don't know who will be able to enforce something like this.. FirstLight Jun 2025 #53
this isn't the one I was talking about NJCher Jun 2025 #55
Both are evil monsters of the worst kind dalton99a Jun 2025 #42
This spat's intention is to get shady pants in the oval. Clouds Passing Jun 2025 #44
K&R. Paladin Jun 2025 #46
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